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Biblical Contradictions v1.0 (Christian Bashing)


Christian Bible Contradictions
v1.0
by GWGA

Losing Faith In Faith: From Preacher To Atheist, by Dan Barker -- Chapter 23

PAUL SAID, "God is not the author of confusion," (I Corinthians 14:33), yet
never has a book produced more confusion than the bible! There are hundreds
of denominations and sects, all using the "inspired Scriptures" to prove
their conflicting doctrines.

Why do trained theologians differ? Why do educated translators disagree over
Greek and Hebrew meanings? Why all the confusion? Shouldn't a document that
was "divinely inspired" by an omniscient and omnipotent deity be as clear as
possible?

"If the trumpet give an uncertain sound," Paul wrote in I Corinthians 14:8,
"who shall prepare himself to the battle? So likewise ye, except ye utter by
the tongue words easy to be understood, how shall it be known what is spoken?
for ye shall speak into the air." Exactly! Paul should have practiced what he
preached. For almost two millennia, the bible has been producing a most
"uncertain sound."

The problem is not with human limitations, as some claim. The problem is the
bible itself. People who are free of theological bias notice that the bible
contains hundreds of discrepancies. Should it surprise us when such a
literary and moral mish-mash, taken seriously, causes so much discord?
Here is a brief sampling of biblical contradictions.

--
Should we kill?

- Exodus 20:13 "Thou shalt not kill."
- Leviticus 24:17 "And he that killeth any man shall surely be put to death."
    * vs. *
- Exodus 32:27 "Thus sayeth the Lord God of Israel, Put every man his sword
  by his side, . . . and slay every man his brother, . . . companion, . . .
  neighbor."
- I Samuel 6:19 " . . . and the people lamented because the Lord had smitten
  many of the people with a great slaughter."
- I Samuel 15:2,3,7,8 "Thus saith the Lord . . . Now go and smite Amalek,
  and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both
  man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass. . . . And
  Saul smote the Amalekites . . . and utterly destroyed all the people with
  the edge of the sword."
- Numbers 15:36 "And all the congregation brought him without the camp, and
  stoned him with stones, and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
- Hosea 13:16 "they shall fall by the sword: their infants shall be dashed
  in pieces, and their women with children shall be ripped up."

--
Should we tell lies?

- Exodus 20:16 "Thou shalt not bear false witness."
- Proverbs 12:22 "Lying lips are an abomination to the Lord."
    * vs. *
- I Kings 22:23 "The Lord hath put a lying spirit in the mouth of all
  these thy prophets, and the Lord hath spoken evil concerning thee."
- II Thessalonians 2:11 "And for this cause God shall send them strong
  delusion, that they should believe a lie."

Also, compare Joshua 2:4-6 with James 2:25.

--
Should we steal?

- Exodus 20:15 "Thou shalt not steal."
- Leviticus 19:13 "Thou shalt not defraud thy neighbor, neither rob him."
    * vs. *
- Exodus 3:22 "And ye shall spoil the Egyptians."
- Exodus 12:35-36 "And they spoiled [plundered, NRSV] the Egyptians."
- Luke 19:29-34 "[Jesus] sent two of his disciples, Saying, Go ye into
  the village . . . ye shall find a colt tied, whereon yet never man sat:
  loose him, and bring him hither. And if any man ask you, Why do ye loose
  him? thus shall ye say unto him, Because the Lord hath need of him. . . .
  And as they were loosing the colt, the owners thereof said unto them, Why
  loose ye the colt? And they said, The Lord hath need of him."

(I was taught as a child that when you take something without asking for it,
that is stealing.)

--
Shall we keep the sabbath?

- Exodus 20:8 "Remember the sabbath day to keep it holy."
- Exodus 31:15 "Whosoever doeth any work in the sabbath day, he shall surely
  be put to death."
- Numbers 15:32,36 "And while the children of Israel were in the wilderness,
  they found a man that gathered sticks upon the sabbath day. . . . And all
  the congregation brought him without the camp, and stoned him with stones,
  and he died; as the Lord commanded Moses."
    * vs. *
- Isaiah 1:13 "The new moons and sabbaths, the calling of assemblies, I cannot
  away with; it is iniquity."
- John 5:16 "And therefore did the Jews persecute Jesus and sought to slay him,
  because he had done these things on the sabbath day."
- Colossians 2:16 "Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in
  respect of an holy-day, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days."

--
Shall we make graven images?

- Exodus 20:4 "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
  of anything that is in heaven . . . earth . . . water."
- Leviticus 26:1 "Ye shall make ye no idols nor graven image, neither rear
  you up a standing image, neither shall ye set up any image of stone."
- Deuteronomy 27:15 "Cursed be the man that maketh any graven or molten image."
    * vs. *
- Exodus 25:18 "And thou shalt make two cherubims of gold, of beaten work shalt
  thou make them."
- I Kings 7:15,16,23,25 "For he [Solomon] cast two pillars of brass . . . and
  two chapiters of molten brass . . . And he made a molten sea . . . it stood
  upon twelve oxen . . . [and so on]"

--
Are we saved through works?

- Ephesians 2:8,9 "For by grace are ye saved through faith . . . not of works."
- Romans 3:20,28 "Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be
  justified in his sight."
- Galatians 2:16 "Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law,
  but by the faith of Jesus Christ."
    * vs. *
- James 2:24 "Ye see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by
  faith only."
- Matthew 19:16-21 "And, behold, one came and said unto him, Good Master,
  what good thing shall I do, that I may have eternal life? And he [Jesus]
  said unto him . . . keep the commandments. . . . The young man saith unto
  him, All these things have I kept from my youth up: what lack I yet? Jesus
  said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give
  to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven."

The common defense here is that "we are saved by faith and works." But Paul
said "not of works."

--
Should good works be seen?

- Matthew 5:16 "Let your light so shine before men that they may see your
  good works."
- I Peter 2:12 "Having your conversation honest among the Gentiles: that
. . . they may by your good works, which they shall behold, glorify God in
  the day of visitation."
    * vs. *
- Matthew 6:1-4 "Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen
  of them . . . that thine alms may be in secret."
- Matthew 23:3,5 "Do not ye after their [Pharisees'] works. . . . all their
  works they do for to be seen of men."

--
Should we own slaves?

- Leviticus 25:45-46 "Moreover of the children of the strangers that do
  sojourn among you, of them shall ye buy, . . . and they shall be your
  possession . . . they shall be your bondmen forever."
- Genesis 9:25 "And he [Noah] said, Cursed be Canaan; a servant of servants
  shall he be unto his brethren."
- Exodus 21:2,7 "If thou buy an Hebrew servant, six years he shall serve:
  and in the seventh he shall go out free for nothing. . . . And if a man
  sell his daughter to be a maidservant, she shall not go out as the manservants
  do."
- Joel 3:8 "And I will sell your sons and your daughters into the hand of the
  children of Judah, and they shall sell them to the Sabeans, to a people far
  off: for the Lord hath spoken it."
- Luke 12:47-48 [Jesus speaking] "And that servant, which knew his lord's
  will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be
  beaten with many stripes. But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy
  of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes."
- Colossians 3:22 "Servants, obey in all things your masters."
    * vs. *
- Isaiah 58:6 "Undo the heavy burdens . . . let the oppressed go free, . . .
  break every yoke."
- Matthew 23:10 "Neither be ye called Masters: for one is your Master, even
  Christ."

Pro-slavery bible verses were cited by many churches in the South during
the Civil War, and were used by some theologians in the Dutch Reformed Church
to justify apartheid in South Africa. There are more pro-slavery verses than
cited here.

--
Does God change his mind?

- Malachi 3:6 "For I am the Lord; I change not."
- Numbers 23:19 "God is not a man, that he should lie; neither the son of
  man, that he should repent."
- Ezekiel 24:14 "I the Lord have spoken it: it shall come to pass, and I
  will do it; I will not go back, neither will I spare, neither will I repent."
- James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness,
  neither shadow of turning."
    * vs. *
- Exodus 32:14 "And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do
  unto his people."
- Genesis 6:6,7 "And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the
  earth . . . And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created
  from the face of the earth . . . for it repenteth me that I have made him."
- Jonah 3:10 ". . . and God repented of the evil, that he had said that he
  would do unto them; and he did it not."

See also II Kings 20:1-7, Numbers 16:20-35, Numbers 16:44-50.

See Genesis 18:23-33, where Abraham gets God to change his mind about the
minimum number of righteous people in Sodom required to avoid destruction,
bargaining down from fifty to ten. (An omniscient God must have known that
he was playing with Abraham's hopes for mercy--he destroyed the city anyway.)

--
Are we punished for our parents' sins?

- Isaiah 14:21 "Prepare slaughter for his children for the iniquity of
  their  fathers;  that they do not rise, nor possess the land, nor
  fill the face of the world with cities."
- Exodus 20:5 "For I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, visiting the
  iniquity of the fathers upon the children unto the third and fourth
  generation." (Repeated in Deuteronomy 5:9)
- Exodus 34:6-7 " . . . The Lord God, merciful and gracious, . . . that
  will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers
  upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and
  to the fourth generation."
- I Corinthians 15:22 "For as in Adam all die, . . ."
    * vs. *
- Ezekiel 18:20 "The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father."
- Deuteronomy 24:16 "The fathers shall not be put to death for the
  children, neither shall the children be put to death for the fathers:
  every man shall be put to death for his own sin."

--
Is God good or evil?

- Psalm 145:9 "The Lord is good to all: and his tender mercies are over all his
  works."
- Deuteronomy 32:4 "a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he."
    * vs. *
- Isaiah 45:7 "I make peace and create evil. I the Lord do all these things."
- Lamentations 3:38 "Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil
  and good?"
- Jeremiah 18:11 "Thus saith the Lord; Behold, I frame evil against you, and
  devise a device against you."
- Ezekiel 20:25,26 "I gave them also statutes that were not good, and
  judgments whereby they should not live. And I polluted them in their own
  gifts, in that they caused to pass through the fire all that openeth the
  womb, that I might make them desolate, to the end that they might know
  that I am the Lord."
- Jeremiah 13:14  "And I will dash them one against another, even the fathers
  and the sons together, saith the Lord: I will not pity, nor spare, nor have
  mercy, but destroy them."

--
Does God tempt people?

- James 1:13 "Let no man say . . . I am tempted of God: for God cannot
  be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man."
    * vs. *
- Genesis 22:1 "And it came to pass after these things, that God did
  tempt Abraham."

--
Is God peaceable?

- Romans 15:33 "The God of peace."
- Isaiah 2:4 ". . . and they shall beat their swords into plowshares,
  and their spears into pruninghooks: nation shall not lift up sword
  against nation, neither shall they learn war any more."
    * vs. *
- Exodus 15:3 "The Lord is a man of war."
- Joel 3:9-10 "Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war
  draw near; let them come up: Beat your plowshares into swords, and your
  pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong."

--
Was Jesus peaceable?

- John 14:27 "Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you."
- Acts 10:36 "The word which God sent unto the children of Israel, preaching
  peace by Jesus Christ."
- Luke 2:14 " . . . on earth peace, good will toward men."
    * vs. *
- Matthew 10:34 "Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not
  to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against
  his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law
  against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own
  household."
- Luke 22:36 "Then said he unto them, . . . he that hath no sword, let
  him sell his garment, and buy one."

--
Was Jesus trustworthy?

- John 8:14 "Though I bear record of myself, yet my record is true."
    * vs. *
- John 5:31 "If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true."

"Record" and "witness" in the above verses are the same Greek word (martyria).

--
Shall we call people names?

- Matthew 5:22 [Jesus speaking] "Whosoever shall say "Thou fool," shall be in
  danger of
  hellfire."
    * vs. *
- Matthew 23:17 [Jesus speaking] "Ye fools and blind."
- Psalm 14:1 "The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God."

--
Has anyone seen God?

- John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
- Exodus 33:20 "Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see
  me, and live."
- John 6:46 "Not that any man hath seen the Father, save he which is of
  God [Jesus], he hath seen the Father."
- I John 1:18 "No man hath seen God at any time."
- Timothy 6:16 "Whom no man hath seen nor can see."

    * vs. *
- Genesis 32:30 "For I have seen God face to face, and my life is preserved."
- Exodus 33:11 "And the Lord spake unto Moses face to face, as a man
  speaketh unto his friend."
- Isaiah 6:1 "In the year that king Uzziah died I saw also the Lord sitting
  upon a throne, high and lifted up, and his train filled the temple."
- Job 42:5 "I have heard of thee by the hearing of the ear: but now mine eye
  seeth thee."
- Exodus 33:23 "And I will take away my hand, and thou shalt see my backparts."

--
How many Gods are there?

- Deuteronomy 6:4 "The Lord our God is one Lord."
    * vs. *
- Genesis 1:26 "And God said, Let us make man in our image."
- Genesis 3:22 "And the Lord God said, Behold, the man has become as one
  of us, to know good and evil."
- I John 5:7 "And there are three that bear witness in heaven, the Father,
  the Word, and the Holy Ghost: and these three are one."

It does no good to claim that "Let us" is the magisterial "we." Such usage
implies inclusivity of all authorities under a king's leadership. Invoking
the Trinity solves nothing because such an idea is more contradictory than
the problem it attempts to solve.

--
Are we all sinners?

- Romans 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God."
- Romans 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one."
- Psalm 14:3 "There is none that doeth good, no, not one."
- I King 8:46  "If they sin against thee, (for there  is  no  man  that
  sinneth  not,)  and  thou be angry with them, and deliver them to
  the enemy, so that they carry them away captives unto the land of
  the enemy, far or near."
- II Chronicles 6:36 "If they sin against thee, (for there is  no  man  which
  sinneth  not,) and thou be angry with them, and deliver them over
  before their enemies, and they carry them away  captives  unto  a
  land far off or near."
- Ecclesiastes 7:20 "For there is not a just  man  upon  earth,  that  doeth
  good, and sinneth not."
- I John 1:8-10 "If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and
  the truth is not in us.  If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to
  forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.  If we say
  that we have not sinned, we make him a  liar, and his word is not in us."
   * vs. *
- Job 1:1 "There was a man . . . who name was Job; and that man was perfect and
  upright."
- Genesis 7:1 "And the Lord said unto Noah, "Come thou and all thy house into
  the ark; for thee have I seen righteous before me in this generation.""
- Luke 1:6 "And they were both righteous before God, walking in all the
  commandments and ordinances of the Lord blameless."
- I John 3:9 "Whosoever is born of God doth not commit  sin;  for  his
  seed  remaineth  in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of
  God."

--
How old was Ahaziah?

- II Kings 8:26 "Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign."
     * vs. *
- II Chronicles 22:2 "Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to
  reign."

--
Should we swear an oath?

- Numbers 30:2 "If a man vow a vow unto the Lord, or swear an oath . . . he
  shall do according to all that proceedeth out of his mouth."
- Genesis 21:22-24,31 " . . . swear unto me here by God that thou wilt not
  deal falsely with me . . . And Abraham said, I will swear. . . . Wherefore
  he called that place Beersheba ["well of the oath"]; because there they
  sware both of them."
- Hebrews 6:13-17 "For when God made promise to Abraham, because he could
  swear by no greater, he swear by himself . . . for men verily swear by the
  greater: and an oath for confirmation is to them an end of all strife.
  Wherein God, willing more abundantly to shew unto the heirs of promise
  the immutability of his counsel, confirmed it by an oath."

See also Genesis 22:15-19, Genesis 31:53, and Judges 11:30-39.

     * vs. *
- Matthew 5:34-37 "But I say unto you, swear not at all; neither by heaven
  . . . nor by the earth . . . . Neither shalt thou swear by thy head . . . .
  But let your communication be, Yea, yea; Nay, nay: for whatsoever is more
  than these cometh of evil."
- James 5:12 ". . . swear not, neither by heaven, neither by the earth,
  neither by any other oath: but let your yea be yea; and your nay, nay;
  lest ye fall into condemnation."

--
When was Jesus crucified?

- Mark 15:25 "And it was the third hour, and they crucified him."
     * vs. *
- John 19:14-15 "And about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews,
  Behold your King! But they cried out . . . crucify him."

It is an ad hoc defense to claim that there are two methods of reckoning
time here. It has never been shown that this is the case.

--
Shall we obey the law?

- I Peter 2:13 "Submit yourself to every ordinance of man . . . to the
  king, as supreme; Or unto governors."
- Matthew 22:21 "Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's."

See also Romans 13:1,7 and Titus 3:1.
     * vs. *
- Acts 5:29 "We ought to obey God rather then men."

--
How many animals on the ark?

- Genesis 6:19 "And of every living thing of all flesh, two of every sort
  shalt thou bring into the ark."
- Genesis 7:8-9 "Of clean beasts, and of beasts that are not clean, and of
  fowls, and of every thing that creepeth upon the earth, There went in two
  and two unto Noah into the ark, the male and the female, as God had commanded
  Noah."
- Genesis 7:15 "And they went in unto Noah into the ark, two and two of all
  flesh, wherein is the breath of life."
     * vs. *
- Genesis 7:2 "Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens,
  the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the
  male and his female."

--
Were women and men created equal?

- Genesis 1:27 "So God created man in his own image, in the image of God
  created he him; male and female created he them."
     * vs. *
- Genesis 2:18,23 "And the Lord God said, It is not good that the man
  should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him. . . . And Adam
  said, This is now bone of my bones, and flesh of my flesh: she shall be
  called Woman, because she was taken out of Man."

--
Were trees created before humans?

- Genesis 1:12-31 "And the earth brought forth grass, and herb yielding
  seed after his kind, and the tree yielding fruit, whose seed was in itself,
  after his kind: . . . And the evening and the morning were the third day.
  . . . And God said, Let us make man in our image . . . And the evening and
  the morning were the sixth day."
     * vs. *
- Genesis 2:5-9 "And every plant of the field before it was in the earth,
  and every herb of the field before it grew: for the Lord God had not caused
  it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. . .
  And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground . . . And the Lord God
  planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had
  formed. And out of the ground made the Lord God to grow every tree that
  is pleasant to the sight, and good for food."

--
Did Michal have children?

- II Samuel 6:23 "Therefore Michal the daughter of Saul had no child unto
  the day of her death."
     * vs. *
- II Samuel 21:8 "But the king took the two sons of Rizpah . . . and the
  five sons of Michal the daughter of Saul."

--
How many stalls did Solomon have?

- I Kings 4:26 "And Solomon had forty thousand stalls of horses for his
  chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."
     * vs. *
- II Chronicles 9:25 "And Solomon had four thousand stalls for horses
  and chariots, and twelve thousand horsemen."

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Did Paul's men hear a voice?

- Acts 9:7 "And the men which journeyed with him stood speechless,
  hearing a voice, but seeing no man."
     * vs. *
- Acts 22:9 "And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were
  afraid; but they heard not the voice of him that spake to me."

In both verses "hear" is akouo and "voice" is  phone. The fact that phone
is in two different cases is irrelevant since case flexibility is common
throughout the New Testament. For example, Matthew 26:65 and Mark 14:64
tell the same story using different declensions for "blasphemy," which
is not considered contradictory.

--
Is God omnipotent?

- Jeremiah 32:27 "Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: is there
  anything too hard for me?
- Matthew 19:26 "But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this
  is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
     * vs. *
- Judges 1:19 "And the Lord was with Judah; and he drave out the inhabitants
  of the mountain; but could not drive out the inhabitants of the valley,
  because they had chariots of iron."

--
Does God live in light?

- I Timothy 6:15-16 " . . . the King of kings, and Lord of lords; Who only
  hath immortality, dwelling in the light which no man can approach . . ."
- James 1:17 " . . . the Father of lights, with whom is no variableness,
  neither shadow of turning."
- John 12:35 "Then Jesus saith unto them, . . . he that walketh in darkness
  knoweth not wither he goeth."
- Job 18:18 "He [the wicked] shall be driven from light into darkness, and
  chased out of the world."
- Daniel 2:22 "He [God] knoweth what is in the darkness, and the light
  dwelleth with him."

See also Psalm 143:3, II Corinthians 6:14, and Hebrews 12:18-22.

     * vs. *
- I Kings 8:12 "Then spake Solomon, The Lord said that he would dwell in the
  thick darkness." (Repeated in II Chronicles 6:1)
- II Samuel 22:12 "And he made darkness pavilions round about him, dark
  waters, and thick clouds of the skies."
- Psalm 18:11 "He made darkness his secret place; his pavilion round about
  him were dark waters and thick clouds of the skies."
- Psalm 97:1-2 "The Lord reigneth; let the earth rejoice . . . clouds and
  darkness are round about him."

--
Does God accept human sacrifice?

- Deuteronomy 12:31 "Thou shalt not do so unto the Lord thy God: for every
  abomination to the Lord, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods;
  for even their sons and their daughters they have burnt in the fire to
  their gods."
     * vs. *
- Genesis 22:2 "And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom
  thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for
  a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of."
- Exodus 22:29 "For thou shalt not delay to offer the first of thy ripe
  fruits, and of thy liquors; the firstborn of thy sons shalt thou give
  unto me."
- Judges 11:30-39 "And Jephthah vowed a vow unto the Lord, and said, If
  thou shalt without fail deliver the children of Ammon into mine hand, Then
  it shall be, that whatsoever cometh forth of the doors of my house to meet
  me, when I return in peace from the children of Ammon, shall surely be the
  Lord's, and I will offer it up for a burnt offering. So Jephthah passed over
  unto the children of Ammon . . . and the Lord delivered them into his hands.
  . . . And Jephthah came to Mizpeh unto his house, and, behold, his
  daughter came out to meet him with timbrels and with dances: . . . And
  it came to pass at the end of two months, that she returned unto her
  father, who did with her according to his vow which he had vowed."
- II Samuel 21:8-14 "But the king [David] took the two sons of Rizpah
  . . . and the five sons of Michal . . . and he delivered them into the
  hands of the Gibeonites, and they hanged them in the hill before the Lord:
  and they fell all seven together, and were put to death in the days of
  harvest . . . And after that God was intreated for the land."
- Hebrews 10:10-12 " . . . we are sanctified through the offering of the
  body of Jesus Christ . . . But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice
  for sins forever, sat down on the right hand of God."
- I Corinthians 5:7 " . . . For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us."

--
Who was Joseph's father?

- Matthew 1:16 "And Jacob begat Joseph the husband of Mary, of whom was born
  Jesus."
     * vs. *
- Luke 3:23 "And Jesus himself began to be about thirty years of age, being
(as was supposed) the son of Joseph, which was the son of Heli."

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What is wisdom's worth?

- Proverbs 4:7  "Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom: and
  with all thy getting get understanding."
     * vs. *
- Ecclesiastes 1:18  "For in much wisdom is  much  grief:  and  he  that  in-
  creaseth knowledge increaseth sorrow."
- I Corinthians 1:19: "For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise,
  and will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent."

--
Here is the order in the first (Genesis 1), the Priestly tradition:

Day 1: Sky, Earth, light
Day 2: Water, both in ocean basins and above the sky(!)
Day 3: Plants
Day 4: Sun, Moon, stars (as calendrical and navigational aids)
Day 5: Sea monsters (whales), fish, birds, land animals,
creepy-crawlies (reptiles, insects, etc.)
Day 6: Humans (apparently both sexes at the same time)
Day 7: Nothing (the Gods took the first day off anyone ever did)

    Note that there are "days", "evenings", and "mornings" before
the Sun was created. Here, the Deity is referred to as "Elohim", which
is a plural, thus the literal translation, "the Gods." In this tale,
the Gods seem satisfied with what they have done, saying after each
step that "it was good."

The second one (Genesis 2), the Yahwist tradition, goes:

Earth and heavens (misty)
Adam, the first man (on a desolate Earth)
Plants
Animals
Eve, the first woman (from Adam's rib)

--
What is the destiny of the righteous?

- Psalms 92:12: "The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree."
     * vs. *
- Isaiah 57:1: "The righteous perisheth, and no man layeth it to heart."

--
How long would David's land be in famine?

- II Samuel 24:13: "So God came to David, and told him, and said unto him, shall
  seven years of famine come unto thee in thy land? Or will thou flee three
  months before thine enemies, while they pursue thee?"
     * vs. *
- I Chronicles 21:11:  So God came to David, and said unto him, Thus saith the
  Lord, "Choose thee. Either three years of famine or three months to be
  destroyed before thy foes, while that the sword of thine enemies overtaketh
  thee;

--
Who moved David to number Israel?

- II Samuel 24: "And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Israel,
  and he moved David against them to say, Go, number Isreal and Judah."
     * vs. *
- I Chronicles 21: "And Satan stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to
  number Israel."

--
Can any man enter heaven?

- II Kings 2:11 "And Elijah went up by a whirlwind into heaven."

- John 3:13 "No man hath ascended up to heaven but he that came down from
  heaven, ... the Son of Man."

--
Who was at the Empty Tomb?

- Matthew 28:1 "In the end of the sabbath, as it began to  dawn  toward
  the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary
  to see the sepulchre."
     * vs. *
- Mark 16:1 "And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary
  the  mother  of  James, and Salome, had bought sweet spices, that
  they might come and anoint him."
     * vs. *
- John 20:1 "The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene  early,
  when  it  was  yet  dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone
  taken away from the sepulchre."

Who went to the tomb ? Matthew-2  Marys;  Mark-2  Marys and Salome; Luke-at
least 5 women; John-Mary Magdalene, What was seen? Matthew-Earthquake with angel
sitting outside on the recently-moved stone; Mark-Stone already moved  and  a
young  man  sitting  inside;  Luke-Stone already moved with two men standing
inside;  John-Stone moved. No one seen on 1st visit, but two angels sitting
inside after two earlier visits.  When did the woman/women leave to  go to  the
tomb  ?  Matthew-Towards dawn; Mark-Very  early;  Luke - At  early dawn; John -
Still dark (NB. John  states  it  was  still dark when Mary arrived at the
tomb).  What did man/men/angel/angels say?  Matthew - Jesus  was risen and
disciples to go to Galilee; Mark - As  Matthew; Luke - Jesus had risen: John -
Asks why Mary is crying.  What do the women/woman do next?    Matthew - they run
away but meet Jesus who  repeats  angel's  instruction; Mark - They flee and
say nothing to anyone.  This obviously contradicts the  other three in which
the women do go and tell the disciples (original Mark ended at 16:7); Luke -
They go and  tell  disciples;  John - Mary meets Jesus and they talk.  What  is
1st  conversation  with  the  risen  Jesus?  Matthew - Women on way from tomb;
Luke-The two  disciples on road to Emmaus; John-Mary Magdalene.

--
Is Jesus equal to or lesser than God?

- John 10:30 "I and my Father are one."

- John 14:28 "Ye have heard how I said unto you, I go away, and come
  again unto you. If ye loved me, ye would rejoice, because I said,
  I go unto the Father: for my Father is greater than I."

--
Which was created first?  Beast or Man?

- Genesis 1:25-26 "And God made the beast of the earth after his kind, and
  cattle  after  their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth after
  his kind: and God saw that it was good.  And God said, Let us make man in our
  image,  after  our likeness:  and  let them have dominion over the fish of the
  sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and  over  all the
  earth,  and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth."
     * vs. *
- Genesis 2:18-19 "And the Lord God said, It is  not  good  that  the  man
  should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.  And out of the ground
  the Lord God formed  every  beast of  the  field,  and every fowl of the air;
  and brought them un to Adam to see what he would call them: and whatsoever
  Adam called every living creature, that was the name thereof."

--
How was Mary impregnated?

- Acts 2:30 "Therefore being a prophet, and  knowing  that  God  had
  sworn  with  an  oath to him, that of the fruit of his loins, according to the
  flesh, he would raise up  Christ  to  sit  on  his throne."
     * vs. *
- Matthew 1:18 "Now the birth of Jesus Christ was on this wise: When as
  his  mother Mary was espoused to Joseph, before they came together, she was
  found with child of the Holy Ghost."

--
Where was the fowl created from?

- Genesis 1:20-21 "And God said, Let the waters bring forth abundantly the
  moving  creature  that hath life, and fowl that may fly above the earth in the
  open firmament of heaven.  And God created great whales, and every living
  creature that  moveth,  which  the  waters brought forth abundantly, after
  their kind, and every winged fowl after his  kind:  and  God saw that it was
  good."

- Genesis 2:19 "And out of the ground the LORD God formed every beast of the
  field,  and every fowl of the air; and brought them unto Adam to see what he
  would call them: and whatsoever  Adam  called every living creature, that was
  the name thereof."

--
Is the Earth supported?

- Job 26:7 "He stretcheth out the north over the empty  place,  and hangeth the
  earth upon nothing."
     * vs. *
- Job 38:4 "Where wast thou when I  laid  the  foundations  of  the
  earth? Declare, if thou hast understanding."

--
How orderly were things created?

#1: Step-by-step. The only discrepancy is that there is no Sun or Moon
or stars on the first three "days".
     * vs. *
#2: God fixes things up as he goes. The first man is lonely, and is
not satisfied with animals. God finally creates a woman for him.

(Funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

--
How satisfied with creation was he?

#1: God says "it was good" after each of his labors, and rests on the
seventh day, evidently very satisfied.
     * vs. *
#2: God has to fix up his creation as he goes, and he would certainly
not be very satisfied with the disobedience of that primordial couple.

(Again, funny thing that an omniscient god would forget things)

--
What was Moses's personality like?

- Numbers 12:3 "Now the man Moses was very meek, above all the men which were
  upon the fact of the earth."
     * vs. *
- Num.31:14, 17, 18 "And Moses was wroth...And Moses said unto them, "Have ye
  saved all the women alive? ... Now therefore kill every male among the little
  ones, and kill every woman, ... But all the women children ... keep alive for
  yourselves."

--
What happened to Judas?

- Acts 1:18 "Now this man (Judas) purchased a field with the reward of
  iniquity; and falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his
  bowels gushed out."
     * vs. *
- Matthew 27:5-7: "And he (Judas) cast down the pieces of silver in the temple,
  and departed, and went and hanged himself.  And the chief priests...bought
  with them the potter's field."

--
Was Jesus' first sermon on a plain or a mountain?

- Matthew 5:1,2 "And seeing the multitudes, he went up into a mountain: and when
  he was set, his disciples came unto him: And he opened his mouth, and taught
  them, saying...."
     * vs. *
- Luke 6:17,20 "And he came down with them, and stood in the plain, and the
  company of his disciples, and a great multitude of people...came to hear him..
  And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples and said..."

--
What were Jesus' last words?

- Matthew 27:46,50 "And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice,
  saying, "Eli, eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, "My God, my God, why
  hast thou forsaken me?"  ...Jesus, when he cried again with a loud voice,
  yielded up the ghost."
     * vs. *
- Luke 23:46 "And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, "Father, unto
  thy hands I commend my spirit:" and having said thus, he gave up the ghost."
     * vs. *
- John 19:30 "When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, "It is
  finished:" and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost."

--
What is the genealogy of Jesus?

In two places in the New Testament the genealogy of Jesus son of Mary (PBUH)
is mentioned. Matthew 1:6-16 and Luke 3:23-31. Each gives the ancestors of
Joseph the CLAIMED husband of Mary and Step father of Jesus(PBUH). The first
one starts from Abraham(verse 2) all the way down to Jesus. The second
one from Jesus all the way back to Adam. The only common name to these two
lists between David and Jesus is JOSEPH, How can this be true?  and also
How can Jesus have a genealogy when all Muslims and most Christians believe
that Jesus had/has no father?

Jesus was physically descended from David - Romans 1:1-3.  The genealogy in Matt
  1:1-16 only relates to Joseph who had nothing to do with the conception.  The
  genealogy in Luke 3:23-38  again only  mentions  Joseph and therefore physical
  Davidic descent  must  be  shown through Mary - Jesus' only  contact  with
  humanity  if virgin born. However, Luke 1:36 says Mary was  related to
  Elizabeth who was of the Aaronic line (Luke 1:5) and therefore not the Davidic
  line, so with  virgin  birth, Davidic descent, a strict prerequisite for
  messiahship is prevented. In sum, Jesus couldn't be the Christ.

--
What was Jesus' prediction regarding Peter's denial?

- Matthew 26:34 "Before the cock crow"

- Mark 14:30 "Before the cock crow twice"

--
How many times did the cock crow?  And where was Jesus at the time?

- Mark 14:72 "And the second time the cock crew. And Peter called to
  mind  the  word  that  Jesus  said unto him, Before the cock crow
  twice, thou shalt deny me thrice. And when he thought thereon, he
  wept."
     * vs. *
- Matthew 26:74-75 "Then began he to curse and to swear,  saying,  I  know
  not the man. And immediately the cock crew. And Peter remembered the word of
  Jesus,  which  said unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice.
  And he went out, and wept bitterly."
     * vs. *
- Luke 22:60-1 "And Peter said, Man, I know not what thou sayest.  And
  immediately, while he yet spake, the cock crew. And the Lord turned, and
  looked upon Peter. And  Peter remembered the word of the Lord, how he had said
  unto him, Before the cock crow, thou shalt deny me thrice."
     * vs. *
- John 13:38 "Jesus answered him, Wilt thou lay down thy life for my sake?
  Verily,  verily, I say unto thee, The cock shall not crow, still thou hast
  denied me thrice."
     * vs. *
- John 18:27 "Peter then denied again: and immediately the cock crew."

--
Who killed Saul?

- I Samuel 31:4-6 "Then said Saul unto his armourbearer, Draw  thy  sword, and
  thrust  me  through therewith; lest these uncircumcised come and thrust me
  through, and abuse me. But his  armourbearer  would not;  for  he  was  sore
  afraid. Therefore Saul took a sword, and fell upon it. And when his
  armourbearer saw that Saul  was  dead,  he fell likewise upon his sword, and
  died with him. So Saul died, and his three sons, and his armourbearer, and all
  his men, that same day together."
  * vs. *
- II Samuel 1:15 "And David called one of the young  men,  and  said,  Go near,
  and fall upon him. And he smote him that he died."

--
How many beatitudes in the Sermon on the Mount?

- Matthew 5:3-11 "Blessed are the poor in spirit: for theirs is the  kingdom of
  heaven. Blessed are they that mourn: for they shall be  comforted.  Blessed
  are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.  Blessed are  they  which  do
  hunger  and  th irst  after righteousness: for they shall be filled.  Blessed
  are the merciful: for they shall obtain mercy. Blessed are the pure in heart:
  for they shall see God.  Blessed are the peacemakers: for they  shall  be
  called the children of God.  Blessed are they which are  persecuted  for
  righteousness' sake: for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.  Blessed are ye,
  when men shall  revile  you,  and  persecute you, and shall say all manner of
  evil against you falsely, for my sake."
     * vs. *
- Luke 6:20-23 "And he lifted up his eyes on his disciples,  and  said, Blessed
  be ye poor: for yours is the kingdom of God.  Blessed are ye that hunger now:
  for ye shall be filled.  Blessed are ye that weep now: for ye shall laugh.
  Blessed are ye, when men shall hate you, and when  they shall  separate  you
  from their company, and shall reproach you, and cast out your name as evil,
  for the Son of man's sake.  Rejoice ye in that day, and leap for joy: for,
  behold, your  reward is great in heaven: for in the like manner did their
  fathers unto the prophets."

--
Who bought Potter's field?

- Acts 1:18-19 "Now this man purchased a field with the reward of  iniquity;
  and  falling headlong, he burst asunder in the midst, and all his bowels
  gushed out.  And it was known unto all the  dwellers  at Jerusalem; insomuch
  as that field is called in their proper tongue, Aceldama, that is to say, The
  field of blood."
  * vs. *
- Matthew 27:6-8 "And the chief priests took the silver pieces, and said, It is
  not lawful for to put them into the treasury, because it is the price of
  blood.  And  they  took  counsel,  and  bought  with  them  the potter's
  field, to bury strangers in.  Wherefore that field was called, The field  of
  blood, unto this day."

--
Who bears guilt?

- Galatians 6:2 "Bear ye one another's burdens, and so fulfil the law  of
  Christ."
  * vs. *
- Galatians 6:5 "For every man shall bear his own burden."

--
Do you answer a fool?

- Proverbs 26:4 "Answer not a fool according to  his  folly,  lest  thou
  also be like unto him."
  * vs. *
- Proverbs 26:5 "Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he  be  wise
  in his own conceit."

--
How old whas Jehoiachin when he began to reign?

- II Kings 24:8 "Jehoiachin was eighteen years  old  when  he  began  to reign,
  and he reigned in Jerusalem three months. And his mother's name was Nehushta,
  the daughter of Elnathan of Jerusalem."
  * vs. *
- Chronicles 36:9 "Jehoiachin was eight years old when he began to  reign, and
  he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem: and he did that which was
  evil in the sight of the Lord."

--
Where was Jesus three days after his baptism?

- Mark 1:12 "And immediately the spirit driveth him into the wilderness."
  * vs. *
- John 1:35 "Again the next day after John stood,  and  two  of  his disciples;"

--
Who judges whom?

- I Corinthians 3:15 "The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he
  himself is not subject to any man's judgment:"
  * vs. *
- I Corinthians 4:5 "Therefore judge nothing before the appointed time; wait
  till the Lord comes.  He will bring to light what is hidden in darkness and
  will expose the motives of men's hearts.  At that time each will receive his
  praise from God."

--
Whom did they see at the tomb?

- Matthew 28:2-5 "And, behold, there was  a  great  earthquake:  for  the
  angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back
  the stone from the door, and sat upon it.  His countenance was like
  lightning, and  his  raiment white as snow:  And for fear of him the keepers
  did shake,  and  became as dead men.  And the angel answered and said unto
  the  women,  Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
     * vs. *
- Mark 16:5 "And entering into the sepulchre, they saw a  young  man sitting  on
  the right side, clothed in a long white garment; and they were affrighted."
     * vs. *
- Luke 24:4 "And it came  to  pass,  as  they  were  much  perplexed thereabout,
  behold, two men stood by them in shining garments:"
  * vs. *
- John 20:12  And seeth two angels in white sitting, the one at  the head,  and
  the  other  at  the feet, where the body of Jesus had lain."

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Sometimes, the bible is confusing on purpose:

- Matthew 12:30 "He that is not with me is  against  me;  and  he  that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad." (default is against)

- Mark 9:40 "For he that is not against us is on our part." (default is for)

- Luke 9:50 "And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against
  us is for us."

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The bible is incorrect in some statements.  Here are a few scientific facts that
the bible misconstrues:

Fact:  The bat is NOT a bird.

- Leviticus 11:13-19 "And these are they which ye shall have in  abomination
  among  the  fowls;  they shall not be eaten, they are an abomination: the
  eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, And the vulture, and the kite after
  his kind; Every raven after his kind; And the owl, and the night hawk, and the
  cuckow, and the h awk after his kind, And the little owl, and the cormorant,
  and  the great owl, And the swan, and the pelican, and the gier eagle, And the
  stork, the heron after her kind, and the lapwing, and the bat."

- Deuteronomy 14:11-18 "Of all clean birds ye shall eat.  But these are they of
  which ye shall not eat: the  eagle, and the ossifrage, and the ospray, And the
  glede, and the kite, and the vulture after his kind, And every raven after his
  kind, And th e owl, and the night hawk, and the  cuckow,  and the hawk after
  his kind, The little owl, and the great owl, and the swan, And the pelican,
  and the gier  eagle,  and  the  cormorant, And the stork, and the heron after
  her kind, and  the lapwing, an d the bat."

--
Fact: Rabbits do NOT chew their cud.

- Leviticus 11:6  "And the hare, because he cheweth the cud, but  divideth
  not the hoof; he is unclean unto you."

  'Gerah', the term which appears in the MT means (chewed) cud, and also perhaps
  grain, or berry (also a 20th of a sheckel, but I think that we can agree that
  that is irrelevant here). It does *not* mean dung, and there is a perfectly
  adequate Hebrew word for that, which could have been used. Furthermore, the
  phrase translated 'chew the cud' in the KJV is more exactly 'bring up the
  cud'. Rabbits do not bring up anything; they let it go all the way through,
  then eat it again.  The description given in Leviticus is inaccurate, and
  that's that.  Rabbits do eat their own dung; they do not bring anything up and
  chew on it.

--
Fact: Insects do NOT have four feet.

- Leviticus 11:21-23 "Yet these may ye eat of every  flying  creeping  thing
  that  goeth  upon  all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal
  upon the earth; Even these of them ye may eat; the  locust  after his kind,
  and  the  bald locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the
  grasshopper after his kind.  But all other flying creeping things, which have
  four feet, shall be an abomination unto you.

--
Fact: Snails do not melt.

- Psalms 58:8 "As a snail which melteth, let every one  of  them  pass away:
  like the untimely birth of a woman, that they may not see the sun."

--
Fact:  What?  We've never seen ringstraked(?) cattle!

- Genesis 30:39 "And the flocks conceived before the rods, and  brought forth
  cattle ringstraked, speckled, and spotted."

--
Fact:  These people knew the Earth was round.  They should also know that you
can't see all the sides of a sphere without moving.

- Isaiah 40:22 "It is he that sitteth upon the circle  of  the  earth, and  the
  inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the heavens as a
  curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in."

- Matthew 4:8 "Again, the devil taketh him up into  an  exceeding  high
  mountain,  and sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of
  them."

Astromical bodies are spherical, and you cannot see the entire exterior
surface from anyplace.  The kingdoms of Egypt, China, Greece, Crete,
sections of Asia Minor, India, Maya (in Mexico), Carthage (North
Africa), Rome (Italy), Korea, and other settlements from these
kingdoms of the world were widely distributed.

--
Fact: Snakes, while built low, do not eat dirt.

- Genesis 3:14 "And the Lord God said unto the  serpent,  Because  thou
  hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the
  field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust  shalt thou eat all the days of
  thy life"

Many of the bible's controdictions are in numbers:

--
Solomon's overseers

550 in I Kings 9:23
250 in II Chron 8:10
--
The mother of Abijah:

Maachah the daughter of Absalom  2 Chron 9:20
Michaiah the daughter of Uriel 2 Chron 13:2
--
When did Baasha die?

26th year of the reign of Asa I Kings 16:6-8
36th year of the reign of Asa I 2 Chron 16:1
--
How old was Ahaziah when he began to reign?

22 in 2 Kings 8:26
42 in 2 Chron 22:2
--
Who was Josiah's successor?

Jehoahaz - 2 Chron 36:1
Shallum - Jeremiah 22:11

--
Other times, they were incorrect on some words:

What was the color of the robe placed on Jesus during his trial?

scarlet - Matthew 27:28
purple John 19:2
--
What did they give him to drink?

vinegar - Matthew 27:34
wine with myrrh - Mark 15:23
--
God creates animals and then man - Gen 1:25-26
God creates man and then the animals - Gen 2:18-19
--
Arpachshad's son was Shelah - Gen 11:12
Arpachshad's grandson was Shelah - Luke 3:35-36
--
Terah's lifespan.

Acts 7:4 states Terah was dead when Abraham left Haran. According to Gen
11:26, Terah was 70 when  Abraham  was born and Abraham was 75 when he left
Haran.  Therefore he lived 70 years (ie. his age when Abraham  was  born)
plus 75  years (Abraham's age  when  he  left  Haran  - Terah was dead at
this time according to  Acts  7:4)  - 145 years in total. However, Gen
11:32 states he  lived 205 years.
--
God promises Abraham the land  of Canaan to live in - Gen 17:8
God did not allow Abraham to live in the promised land - Acts 7:5, Heb 11:8,9,13
--
Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled 70 - Gen  46:26-27, Ex 1:5
Jacob's offspring in Egypt totalled  75 - Acts 7:14
--
Jacob was buried in a cave in  Machpelah's field that was bought from Ephron the
Hittite - Gen 50:13
Jacob was buried in a tomb at Shechem bought from the sons of Hamor - Acts 7:15-
16
--
The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 430 years - Ex 2:40
The Hebrews dwelt in Egypt for 400 years - Acts 7:6
--
God's plague kills 23,000 - Num 25:9
God's plague kills 24,000 - 1 Cor 10:8
--
The Hebrews' journeying - Mount Hor (where Aaron dies), Zalmonah, Punon - Num
33:37,38,41,42
The Hebrews' journeying - Beeroth  Benejaakan,  Moserah (where Aaron dies),
  Gudgodah, Jotbathah - Deut 10:6,7
--
Solomon's reign.
Acts 13:16-22 numbers the years from when  the  Hebrews left  Egypt  to  David
beginning  his  reign   as   40 (Wilderness) + 450 (Judges) + 40 (Saul)  =  530
years.  According to 1 Chron 29:27, David reigned 40 years,  so Solomon became
king (when David died) 530  +  40  years (of David's reign) = 570 years.
However, 1  Kings  6:1 states Solomon's 4th year of rule (when  he  began  the
Temple building) was 480 years after the  Hebrews  left Egypt, ie. he  began
his  rule  476  years  after  the Hebrews left. In sum,  there is a
contradiction  of  94 years.
--
Saul inquired of God, but God did not answer  him  -  1 Sam 28:6
Saul died because he did not seek guidance from God - 1 Chron 10:13,14
--
Jesse had seven children - 1 Sam 16:10-13
Jesse had eight children - 1 Chron 2:13-15
--
David slays Goliath - 1 Sam 17:4,7,50
Elhanan slays Goliath - 2 Sam 21:19
--
Joram his son, Ahaziah his son, Joash his son,  Amaziah his son, Azariah his
son, Jotham  his  son  -  1 Chron 3:11,12
Joram the father of Uzziah, and Uzziah  the  father  of Jotham - Matt 1:8,9
--
Asa removes the high places - 2 Chron 14:2
Asa did not remove the high places - 1 Kings 15:11-14
--
Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Nacon -  2 Samuel 6:6
Uzzah dies at the threshing-floor of Chidon -  1 Chron 13:9
--
David takes 1700 horsemen - 2 Sam 8:4
David takes 7000 horsemen - 1 Chron 18:4
--
David destroys 700 chariots - 2 Sam 10:18
David destroys 7000 chariots - 1 Chron 19:18
--
Joab's numbering of  the  army.  1,100,00  soldiers in Israel; 470,000 soldiers
in Judah - 1 Chron 21:5
Joab's numbering of the  army.    800,000  soldiers in Israel;  500,000 in Judah
- 2 Sam 24:9
--
David buys the land for the altar from Ornan for 600 shekels of gold - 1 Chron
21:24-25
David buys the land for the altar from Araunah for 50 shekels - 2 Sam 24:24
--
The Temple pillars were 18 cubits - 1 Kings 7:15
The Temple pillars were 35 cubits - 2 Chron 3:15
--
The molten sea held 2000 baths - 1 Kings 7:23,26
The molten sea held 3000 baths - 2 Chron 4:2,5
--
The wicked will die prematurely    and  will  suffer  -Psalm 55:23, Proverbs
10:27, Job 18:5,11,18,19
The wicked lifespan is long and they enjoy life - Psalm 73:3-5,12, Job 21:7-9
--
Man is to be holy - Leviticus 11:44, 19:2, 20:7
Only God is holy - Revelation 15:4
--
Drinking alcohol is acceptable - Deuteronomy  14:26, John 2:7-11,  1 Timothy
5:23
Drinking alcohol is not  acceptable - Proverbs  20:1, 23:31-34, Hosea 20:1
--
The captain takes 5 men of the king's council - 2 Kings 25:19
The captain takes 7 men of the king's council - Jeremiah 52:25
--
Baasha dies and his son Ela begins his reign over Israel - this was in the 26th
year of king Asa of Judah - 1 Kings 16:6,8
In the 36th year of Asa's reign, Baasha attacks Judah 2 Chron 16:1
NB. 2 Chron has Baasha still fighting 10 years after  1 Kings says he died!
--
The infancy narratives....

According to  Luke  2:21-39, Jesus is taken to the Jerusalem Temple eight days
after he is born; the family then go up to Nazareth.  In Matthew  2:14-23, after
being born the family  flee  in  Egypt and stay there until Herod dies; even on
returning, they avoid Judea and go up to Nazareth.
--
Jesus began ministry after John the Baptist is imprisoned - Mark 1:14,15,17.
Jesus's began ministry whilst John was free and before imprisoned - John 1:28-
29, 3:25-30
--
Jesus baptised - John 3:22
Jesus did not baptise - John 4:2
--
The exorcism of Legion - being 2 men - Matt 8:28
The exorcism of Legion - being 1 man - Mark 5:1,2
--
The healing on leaving Jericho was 1 blind man - Mark 10:46,47
The healing on leaving Jericho was 2 blind men - Matt 20:29,30
--
Respect for parents taught - Exodus  20:12, Leviticus 19:3, Deuteronomy 5:16,
Ephesians 6:1-2
Disrespect and rejection of parents taught - Matt 8:21-22, 10:37, 19:29, 23:9,
Luke 12:51,53, 14:26
--
People choose not to come to Jesus - John 5:40
People can only come to Jesus if God wills it - John 6:44
--
Jesus judges - John 5:22,27, 9:39, 2 Corinthians 5:10
Jesus does not judge - John 8:15, 12:47
--
Christians to hate their brothers - Luke 14:26
Whoever hates their brother cannot have eternal life - 1 John 3:15
--
Jesus refuses to give signs -  Matthew  12:38,39, Mark 8:12, Luke 11:29
Jesus did give signs - John 3:2, 20:30, Acts 2:22
--
One of the disciples was lost - John 17:12
None of the disciple were lost - John 18:9
--
Jesus refers to David eating the consecrated  bread  in the time of Abithar -
Mark 2:25,26
In fact David ate the consecrated bread in the time  of Ahimelech - 1 Sam 21:1-6
--
Disciples being sent out not to wear sandals -  Matthew 10:9,10
Disciples being sent out to wear sandals - Mark 6:8,9
--
No man can retain the spirit after death - Eccles 8:8
Peter restores spirit of Tabitha after death  -  Acts 9:37,40
--
Believers not to worry about providing for family  -Luke 14:26,33, 18:29,30
Believers must provide for family - 1 Timothy 5:8
--
The law/commandments to remain for ever - Matthew 5:17-19, Luke 16:17
The law has ended - Romans 7:4, Eph 2:15, Col 2:14
--
Simon and Andrew's home was in Capernaum - Mark 1:21,29
Simon and Andrew's home was in the same place as Philip's - Bethsaida - John
1:44
--
God has given all things into Jesus' hands - John 3:35
God has not given all things into Jesus' hands  -  Matt 20:23, John 5:19
--
The anointing and entry into Jerusalem...

Matthew and Mark detail how Jesus rode  into  Jerusalem in Matt 20:1-13, Mark
11:1-11. It was after  this  that he was anointed at Bethany -  Matt 26:6-16,
Mark  14:3-11. But in John he is anointed    (12:1-8)  and  it  is after this
that he rides into Jerusalem (12:12-15).
--
The Last Supper.
The Synoptics make it clear this was the Passover  meal - Matt 26:19, Mark
14:16, Luke 22:13. However in  John, the meal was held on the  day  before  the
Passover  - 13:29, and after the meal the Passover  had  still  not begun -
18:28, and after the  trial,  it  was  the  day ("Preparation") for the
Passover. The Passover  was  on the day after Jesus  was  crucified  (ie.
because  the Passover fell on the Saturday sabbath, it is  therefore
called a 'high day') - John 19:31.
--
Peter is warned he  will  deny  Jesus  after  the  last supper and having left
the upper room - Matt  26:20-34, Mark 14:17-30
Peter is warned he will  deny  Jesus  during  the  last supper before leaving
the upper room -  Luke  22:33-39, John 13:37-38/ 18:1
--
Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin was at night  and  in morning he was taken  to
Pilate  -  Matthew  26:57-68, 27:1-2
Jesus' trial before the sanhedrin and  being  taken  to Pilate  was in the
morning - Luke 22:66-71, 23:1
--
Simon of Cyrene carries Jesus' cross - Matthew 27:32
Jesus carries his cross - John 19:17,18
--
Both robbers revile Jesus - Matt 27:44
Only one robber reviles Jesus  and the other believes -Luke 23:41-43
--
Jesus tells the believing robber he will be with him in paradise that day - Luke
23:43
Jesus was in the grave following his death and did  not ascend to  heaven - Acts
2:24,31, John 20:17
--
The confirmation Jesus is dead.
In Mark 15:43-45, Joseph of Arimathea asks  Pilate  for Jesus' body, and Pilate
is unaware  of  whether  he  is dead; only after sending a centurion and
receiving this confirmation does he allow Joseph  to  take  the  body.
However  in  John   19:31-33,38,      Pilate   actually authorises the leg-
breaking to  ensure  they  have  all died and then authorises Joseph to remove
the body.  NB. Mark 15:42 states it was evening, ie.  the  sabbath had already
begun (the Jewish 'day' beginning at  6pm), when Joseph asks for the body.
However,  burial was not allowed on this day,  showing the fictitiousness of the
story.
--
The time  between  the  resurrection  and  ascension  ?
Matthew-At least the time to reach Galilee (60-70 miles north); Luke-clearly one
day only (see 24:13,33,36,50 - it is made very clear that Jesus  rose,  made
all  his appearances and ascended back to  heaven  on  the  same day); John-at
least a week accepting  John  20  as  the original end to the Gospel,  but  with
the    John  21 appendix this means it was even longer as  this  has  a
Galilean appearance; Acts-40 days.  An attempt to  reconcile  John's  visit  of
just  Mary Magdalene whilst still dark with  the  Synoptics  where there are
several women and it is daytime, is by saying John's was an earlier one, ie. the
one in the Synoptics was a second one. However this cannot be so  as    John
has Mary Magdalene seeing the empty tomb (20:1) and  in the Synoptics  when the
women go to the tomb  they  ask about who  would  roll  the  stone  away  (Mark
16:3).  However Mary Magdalene was with them  (Mark  16:1)  and she had already
seen that the stone had been moved away and therefore they would already know
this from her 1st visit.
    Furthermore, Luke makes any appearance at,  or  journey to Galilee
absolutely impossible as it  has  everything happening in the area of Jerusalem
with  the  disciples being told to  stay  there  until  Pentecost,  and  the
conclusion being Jesus' ascension from nearby Bethany.  This is made clear - in
Luke the first appearance is to the  two  travelling  to  Emmaus  (10  miles
West   of Jerusalem) and 24:13 states this was "that  very  day"; the two then
go "that  same  hour"  to  the  eleven  in Jerusalem (24:33); Jesus then appears
whilst  they  are still explaning what they had seen (24:36). Jesus  then
tells  them  to  stay in Jerusalem until Pentecost (24:49).
    As Luke 24:51 has the ascension on the same day as  the resurrection this
prevents any Galilean appearances  by Jesus to the eleven as in Matt and John.
Luke's account makes nonsense of Matt having Jesus tell the women to instruct
the disciples to go up to Galilee (Matt 28:10) if he was going to see them
himself  later that day (as in Luke and  John),  and  furthermore  see them in
Jerusalem. Also, Luke makes it clear  that  the eleven were told to stay in
Jerusalem from the  day  of the  resurrection  to  Pentecost,  but  Matt  has
them travelling up to Galilee (28:16) as does John (21:1ff).
    Important to note is Mark  16:7,  ie.  that  the  women 'said nothing to
anyone' - all three Gospels contradict this by them telling the  disciples
which  then  leads into their accounts. Because  of  Mark  16:7,  this  is
really made impossible.
--
    Luke also has Jesus appearing to "the  eleven"  on  the same day  as  the
resurrection  (24:33-36),  but  John states Thomas was missing on this
appearance and it was a week later that Jesus actually appeared to all eleven
- - with Thomas then being present (20:24,26).
--
The chronology of Paul's life.
                Acts
(1)Paul converted on the way to Damascus (9:1-8).
(2)He goes to  Ananias  in  Damascus  and  stays  there 'several days' (9:20).
(3)After  'some  time'*,  Paul  goes  to Jerusalem (9:23,26) and meets the
apostles there (9:27).
(4)Paul preaches in Jerusalem, but due  to  threats  to kill him, he is sent to
Tarsus (9:30).
(5)Relief to  Jerusalem  and  Judea  taken  by  Paul  & Barnabas (2nd visit)
(11:30)
(6)Paul goes to Jerusalem (3rd time)  (12:25)**
(7)Paul  goes  to   Jerusalem   (3rd   or   4th   time) (15:1ff).(vii)
               Galatians.
(1)Paul is converted (1:16).
(2)He does not go to Jerusalem, but  to Arabia and then Damascus (1:17)
(3)After 3 years, Paul goes to Jerusalem, meeting  only Cephas and James there
(1:18-19) staying only 15 days.
(4)He then goes to the regions  of  Syria  and  Cilicia (1:21).
(5)14 years later, Paul goes to Jerusalem with Barnabas and Titus (2:1).
(6)Paul confronts Cephas at Antioch   (2:11).
(7)No further information.

* The 'some time' in Acts 9:19 is not clear as  to  how long this was; different
  translations render this 'some time passed' (Jerusalem),  'after  a  number
  of  days' (Moffatt); the literal Greek is "'many' with  the  view of being
  sufficient"; however it  is  rendered,  it  is difficult to reconcile this
  with the three years of Gal 1:18.
** It is  not  clear  whether  12:25  is  a  return  to Jerusalem, or a return
   to Antioch  from  Jerusalem;  if the former, and the Acts 15 visit  is  the
   Gal 2:1-10 one, then in Acts it would be the fourth visit,  whilst Paul
   states it was only the second.  Paul's method of counting in  Gal.  is  not
   absolutely clear, ie. whether his 14 years in Gal 2:1 is 14  years after his
   starting point in Gal (ie. his conversion) or 14 years after the first
   Jerusalem visit 3 years after his  conversion  which  he  had  mentioned
   immediately beforehand  (ie.  a  total  of  17  years   after   his
   conversion).
--
    Numerous others problems arise when trying to reconcile the two accounts,
eg.  Acts has Paul in  Jerusalem  and Judea  in his early life (21:17 then
22:3)  and  as  a persecutor of  the  church  there  (7:58,  9:1-2,13,21,
26:10) which makes Paul's comment that  (Gal  1:22)  he was not known by sight
by the churches  in  Judea  even after his time in Jerusalem, Syria and Cilicia
(1:17- 21) appear impossible.  Furthermore  when  Paul  has  a dispute with
Peter at Antioch about Gentile  fellowship in Gal 2, why does he not remind him
of what was agreed at the Acts 15 conference on this very subject ?
--
Abraham was justified by faith - Rom  4:1-5
Abraham was justified by works - James 2:22-24
--
Elijah and Moses appear many centuries after they  died-Mark 9:2-4
Only God is immortal - 1 Tim 6:15-16
--
Jesus to be buried for three days and   nights  -  Matt 12:40
Jesus  buried  for  one  day  and  two  nights  -  Mark 15:42,43, John 20:1
(These texts show the burial   did not take place until Friday  night  and  the
tomb  was empty  before Sunday morning). Jesus is  NOT  dead  for "three days
and three nigh ts"  whether  present-day  or Jewish time-reckoning is used.
--
In summary:

The Bible presents an interesting picture of God, ie. a god  who never changes
(Malachi 3:6) but actually does frequently  change his mind and even regrets
what  he's  done  ("repents")  -  Gen 6:6,7, Ex 32:l4, l Sam l5:35, 2 Sam 24:l6,
l  Chron  21:l5,  Jer l8:8,l0, 26:3,l3,l9, 42:l0, Ezek 24:l4, Joel 2:l3,    Amos
7:3.  Although  it is to be noted that Numbers 23:l9 and l Samuel 15:2
say that God never repents.....  It states God is "spirit", ie. non-physical
(John 4:24) and yet he is always called 'him' or 'he' as if he had a   male
body, but it also says that although spirit, he has feet (Psalm l8:9), arms
(Jer 27:5), wings (Psa  36:7),  hands  (Job  27:ll),  eyes (Deut  8:3), a  mouth
(Isa  l:20),  ears    (2    Chron  6:40), nostrils  (Ex l5:8)   and legs (Gen
3:8). He also uses  a  razor - -  Isa  7:20.  He  also  occasionally  roars
(Joel  3:l6)   and sometimes  he  even  whistles (Isa 5:26)  !!!  Although  he
has never been seen (John l:l8),   he   has actually been seen  (Isa
6:l), and he even revealed his rear to Moses (Exodus 33:21-22)..

Christians argue that it  is  through  Adam's  sin  that    evil exists  and
furthermore it is because of his transgression  that all  humans  must die; this
is clearly taught by Paul  in    Rom 5:12,17,18  and  is    the  central
theology  of  Christianity; however, this wholly  contradicts  2 Kings 14:6,
Ezekiel  18:20, Jeremiah  31:30 that state  a  person  will NOT  suffer  for  an
ancestor's wrongdoing.  If the God of the Bible is truly God, then there is  a
dilemma; for God to be God, he has to be omnipotent, responsible for  the
creation  of everything; this  includes  evil;  if  he  did  not create evil,
then he was  not  wholly  creative,  and  therefore cannot be God. In  fact
the    Bible  does  actually  say  God commits evil, eg. Exodus 32:l4, 2 Sam
24:l6,   1  Chron  21:l5, Jer l8:8, 26:3,l3,l9,  Jonah 3:l0. Furthermore  he
sends  lying spirits (l Kings 22:23, 2  Chronicles  l8:22)  and  deliberately
deceives people (2 Thessalonians 2:ll). And not only this,    he admits to being
responsible for the  creation  of    evil    and misery  -  Isaiah 45:7, and
that he has deliberately made people so he can destroy  them - Proverbs l6:4.
Christians blame the devil for evil, but    the  devil  and  his desire for
power (that supposedly resulted  in  his  fall)  must have come from God in the
first place if he created  everything; there is also the "awkward" point that he
is hardly mentioned in the Old Testament - just Job 1:6-12, 2:1-7 where he is
called "a son of God" (!), in 1 Chron 21:1 where  he  incites  the  census
(although 2 Sam 24:1 says God did this !), and  Zechariah  where he is only a
prosecuting attorney (3:1-3).  It is also argued that man  has free will  to
choose;  firstly, what about those who have never heard the Christian gospel
(and some might feel they are fortunate !), or are incapable (ie. the mentally-
ill/retarded) or die in infancy; secondly,  considering man's eternal destiny
depends upon this, one would have  thought God would have  made  as  better  job
of  it  it,  ie.  a  less contradictory and a clearer Bible (that doesn't even
mention God is a Trinity !), and  not  literally  thousands  of  sects  (all
saying  different  things)  making  up  the  Christian   church; thirdly, if man
chooses  through  this  supposed  free  will  to reject the gospel, but then
spends eternity in  hell  for  this, where is the free will here ?

    God is hardly consistent - He condemns  killing  (Exodus  20:l3) but orders
it  (Exodus  32:27);  he encourages wisdom  (Proverbs 4:7) but condemns it  (l
Corinthians  l:l9);  he  protects  the righteous  (Proverbs    12:21)    but
does    not    (Hebrews ll:36-37); he cuts off the wicked (Proverbs l0:27) but
does  not (Job 21:7-9); he commands respect for parents (Exodus 20:l2) but
encourages  hatred  for  them  (Luke  l6:9);  he  blesses  peace (Matthew 5:9)
but brings war (Matthew l0:34, Revelation l9:ll).  It continues by saying God
will  keep  the  earth  (Ecclesiastes l:4), but will destroy it  (2  Peter
3:l0);  is  invisible  and unseen (John l:l8,  l Timothy 6:l5-l6) but has been
seen  (Amos 9:l,  Deuteronomy  5:24);  he lives in dazzling light (l Timothy
6:l5-l6), but lives in darkness  (l Kings 8:l2)......

    Christians maintain that God cares for the    world,    he    is personally
involved in it, he has sent his prophets, he has even taken  on  human form
himself and lived  and  died  as  a  human being, he has sent his Holy Spirit,
his  Word  (the  Bible)  and manifests himself through his church; however, how
is it that so much suffering prevails in the world ?  The Bible has  Jesus
comparing    humans'    compassion    with God's;  he supposedly pointed out
that  even  a  human    being 'evil  as  they  are' would not let  their  child
starve    or suffer  (Matthew  7:9-13)  so (therefore) we can look forward to
much more more from  God.  This  is the real nonsense; no  human being would
allow the suffering that  goes on in the world today to continue  if  they
could  stop   it,    but    a  supposedly caring, loving, omnipotent god does
nothing...  What is one supposed to make of a  deity  that  allows  so  much
suffering  to  go  on  which  even  a  mere    frail      feeble inconsistent
'evil'  human would stop if they could ?
--
The Accuracy of the Gospels
On examination of passages arising in the four Gospels,
it can be seen that the  narrative is composed to  suit
the theological  viewpoint   of  the  evangelist.  When
comparing  a  narrative   with    its    parallel    in
another Gospel, or when  a narrative  only  appears  in
one    Gospel,    it  becomes  obvious    that      the
evangelists  had  their  own  beliefs   and  attitudes,
and these sometimes become obvious. It is  clear   that
the authors of the Gospels shaped, remoulded,  selected
and  adapted  the material available to  them  to  suit
their purpose. From this it  can    be  seen  that  the
evangelists   selected   and   adapted   the   material
available to them, so they could write with  a  special
purpose and  objective in  mind.
Matt's author, using Mark as a source, wanted  to  show
Jesus'  mission was to the Jews, as their own  messiah,
but the author  of  Luke,  also using Mark as a source,
wanted to picture Jesus   in    a    way    that    his
Hellenistic readers would understand and  relate    to.
The  author  of John, possibly  using  Mark  or  a  Ur-
Markus, as a source,    or the source of Mark for  some
of his information,  wrote  from  a  highly  individual
viewpoint   and    in  this  Gospel,    the    writer's
personal  interpretation  and  authorship becomes  most
apparent.
Before the resurrection in  Matt  however,  Jesus    is
shown  as  being solely for the Jews; Jesus is pictured
as  the  Jewish  messiah,  the  descendent  of  Abraham
and the Son of  David;  his  life  fulfilled  the    OT
prophesies and expectations. On occasions the OT  texts
are    wrestled  from  their  context  and  used   very
artificially  in  Matt.  Whilst  pro-Jewish, the author
writes against certain Jewish groups  which  he    felt
particular hostility towards. In Luke,   Jesus  is  the
saviour  of  the world - to Jew, Samaritan and Gentile.
Luke's author  makes  it   clear  that  from  the  very
beginning, not  only  Israel,  but  the    world    was
blessed by Jesus' appearance on earth. (2:l4,32).    In
Luke,  Jesus' coming was vital in world  history    and
history, both past and  present had to be shaped around
the years of  Jesus'  life  on  earth.   Jesus'  coming
in Luke influences history as is  shown    by    Jesus'
comment  in Luke l6:l6 that the law and  prophets  were
only 'until John'. From  this  point  a  new  phase  in
history begins.
Luke's author was clearly sympathetic to    the    poor
and  outcast;  he includes material that  teaches  this
and which is only found  in  Luke, eg. the woes against
the wealthy (6:24,25), the story of  Lazarus   and  the
Rich man (Luke l6); there is one  case  where  Luke  is
detailing  the same material as  Matt,    but  a  clear
change is made to uphold his  view towards the  poor  -
"Blessed are  the  poor  in    spirit....Blessed    are
those who hunger and thirst for righteousness..." (Matt
5:3,6)  but    in  Luke  this  is  "Blessed   are   you
poor....Blessed   are    you    that    hunger  now..."
     Here, as can be  clearly seen, the  evangelist has
deliberately changed the wording  to  suit  either  his
spiritual  theology  (Matt)   or  his  social  theology
(Luke). In Luke there is the call by Jesus to care  for
the outcast with the promise of reward for doing   this
(l4:12-l4), and there  is also Jesus' teaching that the
despised classes (in  this case a tax  collector)  were
more sincere and pleasing to God  than   the  so-called
religious teachers (l8:l0-l4).
It has been argued that the Gospels  contain    'pillar
passages',  ie. statements that conflicted  with  early
church theology and belief which created  problems  for
the early church, but despite this, the fact that these
were included shows that  the  evangelists   faithfully
recorded these and that they wrote a  reliable  account
of Jesus' life. One  such passage is Mark 3:21 where it
is stated that Jesus' family went out  to  'seize  him'
because of the accusations of  insanity.    At    first
sight this does appear that the author  has    included
something  that  puts Jesus' family in a   bad    light
and  it  certainly  clashes  with  the church's  belief
that Jesus' family  later became members of the  church
(eg. Acts l:l4) and were later held  in  high   esteem.
However,    some  commentators  believe  this  is   not
necessarily  connected  with  mental  instability,  and
furthermore,  the  author may  have  had  in  mind  the
'prophesy' of  Isa  53:3  that  the  servant  would  be
despised and rejected of men; indeed Jesus does  remind
the disciples that  he  would  suffer contempt  (9:l2).
In  Mark  there is the statement that Jesus  could  not
work miracles because  of  unbelief  (6:5)  and  indeed
Matt  (l3:58) modifies  this,  and  Luke    omits    it
altogether,  but  this  is  not necessarily  a  passage
that reduces   Jesus'    stature;    Mark    repeatedly
emphasises the need to believe in Jesus for  his  power
to  be  able  to  manifest  itself  -  eg.  Mark  5:34,
l0:52.
Because some passages were included in the Gospels  and
these  may    have  embarrassed  the  church  does  not
necessarily  lead    to    the    conclusion  that  the
evangelists recorded an accurate historical account  of
Jesus' life; this is particularly so  in  view  of  the
situation  in  the  early church which was not  uniform
and was very fluid.
The principal motive of each evangelist in producing  a
'Gospel'  was for the preaching of  the  early  church;
the Gospels were not  intended to be  for  general  and
public circulation and reading. It is clear  that  they
did write  as  theologians  and  not  historians    and
therefore  they cannot  be  viewed    as    trustworthy
(ie.   reliable   and   accurate) historians.
In John, hostility against Judaism reaches a  peak;  by
the end  of  the first  century,  Christianity  was  no
longer deemed to be just a schism in Judaism.
     By this time there was an official  cursing of the
Christians ('Minim') in the synagogues. The  Gospel  of
John  therefore coincides  with  the  mutual    feeling
between  the  Jews  and   early Christians at the  time
of  being  written.  In  John,  the  Jews  are pictured
as  slow,  dull-witted,  aggressive  and  hypocritical,
deviating from the original faith.  They  are  prepared
to murder  (l2:l0-ll)  and are pictured as  ignorant of
God's word  (5:38-40),  without  God's    love  (5:42),
accused by Moses (5:45),  potential  murderers  (8:40),
children of the devil who was    a  murderer  and  liar
(8:44)  and  they  are  even reported as making several
attempts to kill Jesus (8:59,  l0:31).  The author puts
words into their  mouths  which  could  not  have  been
spoken; the statement of 'We have no king  but  Caesar'
by   the  chief  priests  (l9:l5)  would  have  been  a
denial of all Jewish  theology  and  history apart from
the fact that a Jewish leader making  this    statement
would  soon  encounter  the  fury  of  the  nationalist
Zealots. The  author  comes very  close  to  preventing
Jesus from being a Jew himself when he writes of  Jesus
speaking to the Jews of 'your father Abraham'   (8:56),
'your law' (l0:34). He continues his  polemic in having
the Jews even asking for leg-breaking after  Jesus  had
died (l9:31) which results in  Pilate instructing  this
even  though  it conflicts with  Mark  which  describes
Pilate as being unaware  of  Jesus'  death  (l5:44-45).
John  also  writes about  the expulsion of   Christians
from  the  synagogues       and    the  possibility  of
executions (9:22, l6:2), which did not  exist  in  the
time that Jesus supposedly lived, but did exist in  the
closing  years of the first century when the Gospel was
written  (ie.  the  official  cursing  of  the  'Minim'
inserted   into    the    synagogue    service    under
Rabbi Gamaliel, ca. 85 CE).
Another indication that the evangelists have   composed
stories  about Jesus without historical  foundation  is
their  interpretation  of  what they considered  to  be
Old Testament 'prophesies'. Because   the    author  of
John  understood  the  Hebrew  parallelism    of    Psa
22:l8  as  two completely separate actions, he has  the
soldiers    carrying    out    two  separate    actions
(l9:23-24).  The  other  evangelists  who    did    not
misunderstand this,    only  have  one  action  in  the
disposal of    Jesus' clothes (Matt 27:35, Mark  l5:24,
Luke 23:34). In  the  same  way,  the  author  of  Matt
misunderstood the parallelism of Zech 9:9 and  had  two
animals  involved  in  Jesus'  entry   into   Jerusalem
(21:2-7) when in  fact there is only one  animal  being
spoken about. The other evangelists do  not  make  this
mistake and therefore only have one  animal   -    Mark
l:2-7, Luke l9:30-35, John  l2:l4-l5-16
       These  examples  show  that  the evangelists,  rather than being
historians,  were  only  interested  in the theology of what they were writing
about.  In these two cases they have  deliberately  introduced  details  to
'agree' what they felt  to   be an  OT  prophecy.  One commentator admits that
the whole of  Jesus'  trial is based on  O.T.  prophesy;  therefore  rather
than  the Christian statement  that      the   life   of   Jesus 'fulfilled'
O.T. prophesies (although in reality  few are actual 'prophesies'), the very
reverse  is true  - Jesus'    earthly    life  was  built   up   on   these
'prophesies'. John gives the picture of the Logos in full control  of every
situation  with  his  power  being  considerably greater   than    the
Synoptics,    eg.  whilst  the Synoptics  record resurrections of people
who had  only just died (eg. Matt 9:l8), Jesus resurrects a  man  who had
been  dead  for four days (ll:l7), the  blind  man healed was not like the
man  who  had once seen in  the Synoptics  (Mark 8:24),  but had been blind
from  birth (9:l), Jesus carries his own  cross  (l9:l7)  and  does need
not  this   to  be  carried  for  him  as  in  the Synoptics (eg. Matt
27:32).  Again,   the  theological view of John's author completely
overshadows any desire to present a historical account; his account is to
show that  Jesus  was the Son of God  and  historical  facts are not
relevant.  In  the  same way,  the  author  of Matt is keen to show  that
Jesus  was    the    Jewish Messiah, while the authors of Luke and Mark are
more concerned    with  portraying  a  Jesus  who  would  be acceptable to
Gentiles. Mark, almost certainly the  first  Gospel,  includes  a number
of  errors which not only show that the  author was  not  an  eyewitness
to  the events he so  vividly describes (and also, was not  based  on
anyone  else's account who was an eyewitness), but also  that  details such
as features of the Jewish religion, geography  and chronology were only
secondary to his purposes.  Mark (1:2) has a quotation  from  Malachi
3:l  and Isaiah 40:3,   but    he    attributes    both    to    Isaiah
(furthermore  he interfered  with   the    poetry    by changing  the
location   of   the wilderness),  there is a chronological  error in
naming  Abiathar  as  the high priest  (2:26),  Herod is called a  king
when  he was in fact a tetrach  and  this  is  followed  by   an error
about  Philip's  wife (6:l4,l7), he attributed a custom of the strict
Pharisees to  all  the Jews (7:3), his mention of Dalmanutha in 8:10
indicates he was  not very familiar with Palestine, there is a  reference
by Jesus  to  women divorcing their husbands, a custom not possible in
Palestine  (l0:12), together with an  error over the timing of the Passover
and    the    Feast  of Unleavened Bread (l4:l,12). On  occasions,  the
author seems to be confused about Palestinian life.

The errors contained within Mark  were  'corrected'  by
the  authors  of Matthew and  Luke,  and  sometimes  by
later copyists,    particularly    when  they  involved
important  theological  points.  It    was   the   same
situation with each of the four evangelists;  each  one
had a  particular  motive,  each  one  had  a  specific
theological belief and each one had a  certain group of
people in mind for whom their Gospel was intended.
On occasions, the reason for relating a story not found
in  the  other three Gospels, or for making  a  drastic
change in it is not  altogether clear. All four Gospels
have the story of Jesus being  anointed  by   a  woman;
Matt (26:6-l3) and Mark (l4:2-ll) have    this    after
the  entry into Jerusalem, but John has this    before,
while  Luke  has   it    long  before  the  arrival  in
Jerusalem during the early ministry  (Luke    7:36-50).
Whilst Luke has the woman anointing Jesus' feet      as
does   John  (l2:3),  Matt  and  Mark  have  the  woman
anointing  Jesus'  head.      Other  minor  differences
occur, eg. Jesus tells Peter  of his   denials    after
leaving the room where the last  supper   was    eaten,
on  the  way  to Gethsemane in  Matt  (26:30-35)    and
Mark  (l4:26-31),  but  in   Luke  (22:33-34/39)    and
John  (l3:37-38/l8:l),  Jesus  tells    him      before
leaving.
In Luke, Jesus is assaulted before the questioning   by
the  Sanhedrin and  the  questioning  takes  place  the
following   morning   (22:63-71),      but   in    Matt
(26:57-68/27:l)   and    Mark    (l4:53-65/l5:l)    the
assault  is immediately after the questioning and  this
all takes place before  the morning.  Presumably  there
was a reason for the differences  which  occur  in  all
four  Gospels,  but  they  have  been  lost  in   time.
Differences such as these may arise  because  of    the
evangelist  wishing  to  convey    a  particular  point
which is  not  obvious,  or  they  may  simply  arise
because  of  the  way  the  material/tradition      was
transmitted and reached the evangelist.
When certain passages are examined, it can be seen what
the evangelist had in mind  and  furthermore,  what  he
personally viewed  as  important. The  author  of  Matt
wanted to show that   Jesus'  mission  was    to    the
Jews. In l5:21-28, Jesus'  objection to  healing    the
Gentile  woman's daughter is much more obvious than  in
Mark (in  Mark,  the  only  time Jesus is called 'Lord'
is by this woman - 7:28; here Mark has used the  story,
which in Matt is anti-Gentile, to show that it  was   a
Gentile who recognised who Jesus was). Matt  also  adds
that  Jesus said that he had only  come  'to  the  lost
sheep of the house of Israel'. The  author of Luke, not
only pro-Gentile, but endeavouring to  portray    Jesus
as humane, omits the whole story.
Jesus instructed his disciples  not  to  go    anywhere
near  Gentiles  or Samaritans, but to go to  'the  lost
sheep of the house  of  Israel'  in  Matt  l0:5-6,  but
Mark does not include this (6:7ff) and  nor  does  Luke
(9:lff). Luke contradicts this by saying  that    Jesus
wanted  to  enter Samaria.  but  was    prevented  from
doing so by  the  inhabitants  (9:52-53); also in Luke,
Jesus heals a  Samaritan   (l7:ll-l6),    and    Jesus'
mission to the Samaritans, which  is    precluded    in
Matt,  goes  even further in John  when Jesus goes into
Samaria and many  are  converted there   (4:4,5,39-42).
It  is  generally    accepted    that    the    seventy
disciples sent out in Luke l0:l was a Gentile mission.
Not only did the authors of Matt and Luke  correct  the
errors in  Mark, and the author of John reinterpret the
oral and written material  that was the basis  for  the
Synoptic  Gospel  account,  they  also  clearly    made
considerable   changes   to   Mark.    Although    some
corrections  and  changes are  to make the account more
authentic, the principal cause  for    the  changes  is
clearly  theological.  This  can  be  traced  in    all
four Gospels, from beginning to end.
Matt begins with a genealogy tracing Jesus   back    to
Abraham  through David (l:l-16) - to show Jesus as  the
Jewish  Messiah,  but  Luke  has  this  going  back  to
Adam (3:23-38) to show Jesus' coming  was  to  save all
mankind and not just Israel. This fact  is    announced
just  after the birth in Luke also -  2:28,32.      The
author  of  Mark  begins   his  Gospel  very  abruptly,
whilst the author of    John  begins  his  Gospel    by
stating that  Jesus  was  the    pre-existent    Logos,
and  it  is  this portrayal that runs throughout John.
To the end of the  Gospels,  the  personal  theological
belief, manner and motivation  of  each  author   still
manifests    itself;    in    Mark    the  resurrection
narrative ends as abruptly  as  the   Gospel    begins;
the resurrection appearances are not detailed  possibly
because  the  whole message  of  Mark  is  faith  (Mark
16:9-20 is generally acceprted to be a  later  addition
to avoid the abrupt ending).
In Matt, the last    appearance  by    Jesus    to  the
disciples is on a mountain; this may  be  an    attempt
to  connect Jesus' departure with Moses' (NB. In  Matt,
Jesus teaches about the law on a mountain -  5:l,l7-42,
which recalls Moses  receiving    the    law    on  the
mountain; in  the  Lukan  parallel,  Jesus   did    not
teach  on  a mountain, but rather 'he came  down    and
stood on a  level  place'  and this did not  relate  to
the law - 6:l7-49; this in itself is an example of  how
the evangelists adapted material   to    illustate    a
theological point). The author of Matt endeavoured   to
show that Jesus did not come to 'end' Judaism, but  was
a fulfilment of it. In Luke, Jesus' departure is in the
area  of Jerusalem  where the  disciples  are to remain,
ie.  where it all began.
In John the  emphasis was to instil faith in  those who
already believed but felt distanced from Jesus by being
second or third-generation  Christians (20:29,31).
What has to be borne in  mind  is  the  fact  that  the
evangelists were not only  producing  their  narratives
from isolated disconnected sayings and stories, many of
which had survived down to their  time  only  through
oral tradition, their narratives were also  related  to
the  Jesus  they believed in,  pictured  through  their
own  personal  experience;    their  account  was  also
shaped for the people  for whom it was  intended.   The
Gospels  would  also  reflect  the  evangelists'    own
culture   and background. They also had  to  deal  with
factors which had only  emerged during their time,  eg.
why Jesus had not    returned,    why    Judaism    had
rejected  its  Messiah,  how  Christianity   could   be
related  to  Judaism, how Christianity could show  that
Jesus was the one foretold in the Old Testament, and as
the church became distanced  from  the  time that Jesus
supposedly  lived,  the  rising   importance   of   the
disciples/apostles.
The  evangelists  cannot   therefore   be   viewed   as
trustworthy   historians  as  they  saw      historical
information only  as a basis  for   the    'Good  News'
they were attempting to declare. This information  only
served as a background for the  story  they  wanted  to
tell.   As the  Gospels  are not biographies of  Jesus'
life, but rather, compositions for preaching and/or  to
satisfy the need of a particular  Christian  community,
their value as "historical" documents is 'nil'.
The source of  Matthew  and  Luke,  although  there  is
still  disagreement over this, appears to have  been  a
mixture of,
(a)the Q document; in fact the authors of Matthew   and
Luke  may  not have used the same document, ie. due  to
difference in time  and  area, one evangelist may  have
seen a different (eg. expanded)   Q  document; the term
'Q' is also used to denote  oral  as  well  as  written
tradition,  and,
(b)Mark;  it  appears  they  most  probably  used   the
canonical  Mark,  and not an earlier edition, and,
(c)their own sources. Both Gospels  mainly  follow  the
order in Mark.
In the case of Luke, more than  one-third  is  material
not found  in  Mark, but almost one-third  of  Mark  is
not found in  Luke.     The    non-Markan  material  is
principally inserted into two  places  in  Luke,    ie.
6:20-8:3  (the  small   insertion)    and    9:51-l8:l4
(the  large  insertion) although  there  is  non-Markan
material found  in the sections  that  do  repeat  Mark
(eg. Luke 3:23-4:l3, 4:l6-30).
In the case of Matthew, half of Matthew is not found in
Mark,  whilst over a half of this material is found  in
Luke; the  remainder  appears to be Matthew's  author's
own material.
    This  leads  to  numerous  questions,  eg. did  the
authors write, but then expand on them when coming
across  Mark  (Kummel considers this unlikely with Luke
due to the Markan omissions), or whether their  special
material was actually found in Q,   but  because    the
other  evangelist chose not to use it, this results  in
it appearing to be  material only available to them.
It is also argued that the  special  material  in  some
cases was not written, but oral  tradition;  some  have
gone  as  far  as suggesting that  the  material  found
in  only  one  Gospel,   without  parallel  in  another
could even be the author's  own  thoughts,  ie.    they
composed stories that they  believed  would  teach  the
readers  about a subject they considered important, eg.
Luke's story of Lazarus and the Rich Man (Luke l6).
A brief examination of both Matt  and  Luke  will  show
that  the  authors  were sympathetic to certain  ideas,
and  introduced  these  into  their  Gospels, either by
simply rephrasing  or rearranging the material,  or  by
using  stories  that  supported   their      particular
ideas.  Matthew's  author clearly wished to  show  that
Jesus' mission was  only  to      the    Jews  (l0:5,6,
l5:24);  in  the  case  of   the   Canaanite      woman
(l5:22-28),  Jesus' hostility is far greater  in  Matt,
than in Mark  (7:24-30),  but  Luke's author  chose  to
omit this altogether.  In    Matt        the    Gentile
mission  was   really   only   authorised   after   the
resurrection (28:l9);  it  is at this point  where  the
pro-Jewish  line    is    concluded;     after      the
crucifixion the Jews are pictured as being particularly
hostile -  eg.  approaching Pilate to authorise a guard
on the tomb  (27:62-66)    and  the Jews bribing guards
to say  the   disciples    had    stolen    the    body
(28:ll-l5); the historicity of both    incidents    has
been  questioned.
Before the resurrection in  Matt  however,  Jesus    is
shown  as   being    solely  for  the  Jews;  Jesus  is
pictured  as  the  Jewish  messiah,  the  descendent of
Abraham and the Son of David; his  life  fulfilled  the
OT  prophesies and expectations. On  occasions  the  OT
texts  are  wrestled from their context and  used  very
artificially  in  Matt.  Whilst  pro-Jewish, the author
writes against certain Jewish groups  which  he    felt
particular hostility towards. In Luke,   Jesus  is  the
saviour  of   the    world  -  to  Jew,  Samaritan  and
Gentile. Luke's author  makes  it  clear  that from the
very beginning, not  only  Israel,  but    the    world
was  blessed by Jesus' appearance on earth.  (2:l4,32).
In  Luke,  Jesus'  coming was vital  in  world  history
and history, both past and  present  had to  be  shaped
around the years of  Jesus'  life  on  earth.    Jesus'
coming in Luke influences  history  as  is  shown    by
Jesus'  comment  in    Luke  l6:l6  that  the  law  and
prophets were only 'until John'. From this  point a new
phase in history begins.
    Luke's author was clearly sympathetic to the   poor
and  outcast;  he  includes material that teaches  this
and which is only found   in    Luke,    eg.  the  woes
against the wealthy (6:24,25), the story  of    Lazarus
and  the Rich man (Luke l6); there is  one  case  where
Luke is detailing  the  same material as Matt,   but  a
clear change is made to uphold his  view   towards  the
poor - "Blessed are  the  poor  in    spirit....Blessed
are  those who hunger and thirst for  righteousness..."
(Matt 5:3,6) but  in  Luke this  is  "Blessed  are  you
poor....Blessed  are   you    that    hunger    now..."
(6:20,21).    Here,  one  of  the    evangelists    has
deliberately  changed the wording to  suit  either  his
spiritual  theology  (Matt)  or   his  social  theology
(Luke). In Luke there is the call by Jesus to care  for
the outcast with the promise of reward for doing   this
(l4:12-l4)  and there  is also Jesus' teaching that the
despised classes (in  this  case a tax collector)  were
more sincere and pleasing to God  than  the   so-called
religious teachers (l8:l0-l4).
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The Christian God

All forms of life destroyed because  of  one  imperfect
species - Gen  6:5,7, 7:23
Human sacrifice commanded by God - Leviticus 27:28,29.
Under inspiration of God's Spirit, Jephthah  agrees  to
sacrifice daughter as a thanksgiving - Judges 11;29-40.
God sends ten plagues on    Egypt    because    Pharaoh
won't   release    the  Hebrews,  but  he  deliberately
hardens Pharaoh's heart so he refuses  to  release  the
Hebrews  in  the  first  place,  making  these  plagues
necessary - God admits this is so he can  perform  'his
wonders'  (Exodus  11:9), ie. wholesale mass  slaughter
of life in Egypt  -  Exodus  7:3-4,13-14, 10:1,20.
God sanctions slavery and a man selling his daughter  -
Exodus  21:2-6,7.
Death demanded for heresy - Deuteronomy 13:1,2,5,14,15.
God says that if a man strikes  'his  slave',  male  or
female,  and  they do  not  die  immediately,  the  man
shall not  be  punished  because   'the  slave  is  his
money (ie. property)' - Exodus 21:20-21.
God orders people  to  slaughter  their  own  relatives
because  they rejected Moses'  religion;  3000  killed.
Moses tells  the  killers  that God  would  bless  them
for doing this by making them    ordained    for    his
service - Exodus 32:27-29.
A person to kill their own family  for  a    difference
of  religion  - Deuteronomy 13:6-10.
God demands death for anyone not circumcised - Gen 17:9-14.
God demands the sick  are  to  be  driven  out  of  the
community  -  Numbers 5:1-4.
God burns people to death for complaining- Numbers 11:1
God kills 24,000 people by a plague because one of them
brought  a Midianite woman to his tent -  Num 25:6-9.
The curses of God  upon the Hebrews  (eg. eating  their
own  children)  - Lev 26:14-39,  Deut 28:15-68.
God arranges the Midianite slaughter - Judges 7:2,9,22.
(Note:  Numbers 31:l-l8 states that God instructed  the
mass  slaughter of Midianites, and the Lord "slew every
male", alongwith their    rulers  (31:7),    and    the
Midianite  women  and  children  and    animals    were
captured; Moses then demanded all the males,  including
babies and  the  women were to be slaughtered, but  the
young girls could  be  "kept  alive    for  yourselves"
(31:18). This story records the extermination  of   the
Midianites, but later on, God AGAIN    instructs    the
slaugher  of  the  Midianites (Judges 6:16), It is  the
same with the  Amalekites  -  they are "ALL  destroyed"
in 1 Samuel 15:8, but they are destroyed yet again   in
1 Samuel 27:8-9  and  everyone  -  men  and  women    -
are  killed;   however, they are killed (- for the  3rd
time!) in  1 Samuel  30:1,l6ff  except  for  400  young
men. At long last, they are  are  finally   killed  off
in 1 Chronicles 4:43 when the 'remnant' were destroyed.
NB.  most  of  the  Pentateuchal battles  were  ordered
by Moses but he was only God's mouthpiece (Num 12:6-8).
He also has an important role in the N.T - Matt 17:1-4,
Heb 3:2,5, 11:23-29,  Rev 15:3).

The Spirit of God comes upon Samson  and  he    murders
over  a  thousand people - Judges 14:19, 15:14-15.
The Psalmist praises God for his 'steadfast  love'  but
then details his  slaughtering  in  the  past  -  Psalm
136:10-21.
God deliberately deludes people so  they  will  not  be
saved  -  2  Thess 2:11-12.
A girl not found to be a virgin  was  to  be  killed  -
Deut 22:13-21 (Note the same did not apply  to men !).
God kills an innocent  baby for its father's wrongdoing
- - ignoring  the  father's pleas - 2 Samuel 12:15-20
God kills 70,000 men - 2 Samuel 24:15
God has a friendly meeting with his arch enemy Satan  -
whom he doesn't even recognise -  Job 1:6-7,  and  they
have a wager (Job 1:8-12)  over how much  suffering  it
would take before righteous Job will  reject  God.  Job
then has his whole family killed and livelihood  ruined
(1:13-19) and then is afflicted by a  loathsome  plague
(2:7-8).
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The historicity of Jesus
The church has failed to show any  proof    that    the
Gospels  were  in existence before 125  CE.    This  is
demonstrated if  one  looks  at    the  second  century
Christian writings:-
The author of 1 Clement, an anonymous  letter,  usually
dated as ca.  96 CE, and attributed to Clement  writing
from  Rome  to  the   church    at  Corinth,  does  not
appear to be aware of any written  Gospels.   On    two
occasions he refers to what Jesus had  said;  in  chap.
l3,  he  repeats the words of Jesus, very  similiar  to
those in    the    Gospels,    although  they  are  not
quotations.  In  chap  46  he   brings   together   two
unconnected Markan statements (9:21 and l4:21)  and  he
appears to be quoting loose sayings that were circulat-
ing, but not in a fixed form; this view is strengthened
by the fact that he never refers to Gospel stories,  or
sayings, when it would be very appropriate, applicable
and would support the argument he is making; instead he
quotes or  refers  to the O.T.
Ignatius, ca. ll0 AD,  mentions the Gospel although  it
again  appears he is referring to the  Gospel  message,
rather than written   documents.  He  gives  much  more
information about Jesus' life, but as  he  refers    to
things not found in any of the four canonical  Gospels,
eg.   the    story  of  Jesus  speaking    after    the
resurrection,  (Smyrn.  3)  which  is  apparently  from
the apocryphal Gospel according to the Hebrews and  not
from  the  canonical  Gospels,  and  he  describes  the
Bethlehem star in a  way  that is not found in  Matthew
(the only canonical Gospel to  mention   this),  it  is
not clear what written Gospel was  available to  him.
He refers to other N.T. writings, but there is no clear
indication he knew of any written Gospels..........
In his letter to the Philippians  he uses  terms  found
in Matt and Luke although it  is  noteworthy  that  the
author of l John, facing  the  same Docetic problem  as
Ignatius, but at an earlier time, clearly    did    not
have the biographical information  about  Jesus,  which
was available  to Ignatius.
The Epistle of Barnabas ca. l30 CE, uses OT  references
to support  its contents when NT ones would  have  been
far more appropriate. It  refers to a passage  in  Matt
20:l6b and 22:l4 and surprisingly for this  early  date
calls it 'Scripture';    this    is    quite    unique.
However,  20:l6b appears to have been an  interpolation
and if it was a loose saying, it  is  more  likely  the
author  is  using  Matthew's  source,    rather    than
Matthew itself. The author chose to use the  apocryphal
Enoch  when writing about the end (instead of Mark l3),
and in  referring  to  the crucifixion he refers to the
Psalms,  not  the  Gospels.  The  Epistle (chap. 7) has
a  saying  attributed  to  Jesus  not  found  in    the
Gospels.
Polycarp, ca. l30 CE, apparently knew Matt and/or  Luke
and  improves    upon   Clement's   "quotations",   but
apparently didn't know of John's Gospel.
Papias, ca.  l40  CE,  mentions  Matthew  and  Mark  in
written form, but not Luke or  John   and    he    also
made  use  of   non-canonical    apocryphal  literature
indicating that Matt and Mark were not  seen  a    sole
source of  the gospel message.
Justin Martyr, in the middle  of  the  second  century,
refers  to    written  Gospels  which  were  deemed  as
authoritative as the O.T, but he does  not  name  them,
nor state their number so it  is  not  known  what   he
was referring to. He too, used non-canonical material.
It was only by ca. l70 CE that  Tatian  was  using  all
four  Gospels  for his Diatessaron harmony and about  a
decade later Irenaeus was  arguing  for  acceptance  of
the four canonical Gospels, and only those.
Therefore it appears that the writings that give  Jesus
a  historical place only appeared in the closing  years
of the first century and even  these  took  quite  some
time to be established anbd accepted.   Therefore  with
regard  to  Jesus  of  Nazareth  being  some  kind   of
historical person, surely one is  justified  in  asking
why there appears to  be   so    little  said  by  this
figure that is original; for example, a  good  deal  of
the Sermon of the Mount  goes  back  to  the  Old  Test
or  lst  cent  BCE apocryphal writings, eg. the Book of
the Secrets  of  Enoch.  Secondly,  why  there  is  the
astounding  silence  over   biographical      -      or
chronological  -  details about Jesus' life  until  ca.
90 CE.  Paul, in the  period  before  this time,  never
invokes his  words  when  they  would  be    invaluable
in supporting  his  argument,  and  this  is  not  only
with  Paul,  but elsewhere, eg. l Peter. The authors of
Romans l3:l-3 and l Peter  2:l3-l4  certainly  couldn't
have been aware of the story of Jesus  appearing before
Pilate  in  view  of  what  they  say.    This  silence
continued  over into the end of  the  lst  century;  in
fact when the author of 1  Clement wrote, he  seems  to
suffer from the same problem as Paul and    others    -
total ignorance  about  Jesus    and    the    Gospels;
obviously  as  is  so clearly demonstrated,  Christians
always used scripture  or  suchlike    to  support  any
argument they were making, so is  it  somewhat  bizarre
that Clement does not do this.  In chap. 3-6  he  lists
Abel,  Joseph,  Moses and David as  examples of  people
who suffered through jealousy   -    but  surely  Jesus
would  have  been  the  ideal  example  of    this    -
Matt 27:l8/Mark  15:l0  ???        When    he    speaks
about  people  preaching repentence  in  7-8,  he  uses
Ezekiel and Isaiah as examples  -  but    again  surely
Jesus would have been the ideal example  to    use    -
Luke  13:3,Matt l8:3 ?   In 9-l2 he lists examples   of
faith  -  but yet  again they're all Old Test and fails
to give any Gospel example that would be more fitting.

In l6 he refers to Jesus' humility and one would expect a reference to his
humble birth in a stable,but instead he quotes from the Old Test again (Isa 53).
In chap l7 he speaks about those dressed in animal skins who announce the coming
of Christ.     Surely John the Baptist (Matt  3:4)  ?  however he lists the  Old
Test prophets Elijah and Ezekiel. And so it goes on......  It is very clear that
although the Gospels  emerged  in the last  decade of the lst century  AD,  they
took  a long long  time  to  be    circulated  and/or  accepted which is strange
if  they  are  accurate  reports  of Jesus' life. With regard to  the eyewitness
testimony for Jesus' existence, there is certainly a problem.  It is amazing
that anything up to  70(100   ?),000  people saw Jesus, but no one made an eye-
witness  record    of it.  Mark was obviously not an eyewitness  due  to  his
host of  errors  concerning chronological,  historical, geographical  and
theological  matters  in  lst.  cent Palestine; Matt and Luke have to  use  Mark
as   their base (which they  obviously  wouldn't  have  needed  to
do  if  they  were eyewitnesses) and in  John    (Which even  the  church  only
hesitantly accepted  into  the canon) reports things that  couldn't   have
happened eg. Jesus' speech about  drinking  blood  to  a  Jewish audience in
John 6;  it  has  to  be  rejected  if  the Synoptics are  accepted  as  it
conflicts  with  them, eg. his dating of  the  Temple-clearing  and  the  last
supper etc in relation to  the  Passover.    He    also reports  situations  eg.
expulsions from the  synagogue (l6:2) that didn't occur until after  90 CE  (ie.
Rabbi Gamaliel II's official cursing prayer  of  the  'Minim' in ca. 90 CE). In
the case of Paul, he gives  virtually no  detail  about Jesus' earthly life,
other  than  he was  a  descendent  of  David,  was crucified  and  was raised
by  God.  If  Romans,  a   genuinely    Pauline letter, and the longest,  is
examined to discern Paul's reference  to Jesus' earthly life, the silence
becomes most apparent:-
(l)Jesus was a Jew/descended from David (l:3, l5:8,12);
(2)Jesus was human (8:3);
(3)His blood was  shed  (3:25, 5:9);
(4)Jesus  suffered/died/was   crucified   (5:6,8,10,l5,
6:3,4,5,6,8,  8:l7, l4:l5);
(5)Jesus rose  from    the    dead    (l:4,    4:24,25,
6:4,5,9,l0,  8:ll,34, l0:7,9, l4:9):
As can be seen, the same few   details  are    repeated
over   and    over  again;  in  the  letters  that  are
genuinely accepted as being written  by Paul  there  is
no specific reference  to  the  parents    of    Jesus,
and certainly not a virgin birth; his place of birth or
the area in  which  his  ministry  took  place  is  not
mentioned  either;  'Of  Nazareth'  is never used;  the
details Paul supplies give no indication whatsoever of
the time or place of  Jesus'  earthly  existence.
   Paul never refers to Jesus' Roman trial, and in fact
he does not appear to even  know who  crucified Jesus -
in l Cor 2:8 he refers to the death    of    Christ  by
'rulers of the age' - this hardly   fits    a    tinpot
prefect  called  Pilate;  this  term  really    denotes
supernatural spirits  - 2  Cor  4:4, Col 2:l5  *.  Paul
never refers to Jerusalem  as  the  place  of  Jesus'
execution and never  mentions  John  the  Baptist,  nor
Judas, nor  Peter's denials  (This  would  have    been
quite   pertinent   in     combatting  Cephas/Peter  at
Antioch - Gal 2:ll-l7. Paul's position was  apparently
being threatened by Peter and  despite  calling  him  a
hypocrite, he does not allude to his three  denials  of
Jesus, as recorded in the    Gospels,  eg.  Mark  l4:30
par). The only chronological reference to Jesus in  the
Pauline corpus is in l Tim  6:13  and  this  letter  is
widely  accepted    as  post-Pauline.  Furthermore   it
appears to  be   a    non-Pauline    insertion  from  a
baptismal creed.
(* Although some argue that Paul's reference in l Thess
2:l4-l5  shows he knew that the Jews  crucified  Christ
(this of course is incoorect  - the Romans  did),  this
reference is clearly to God's vengeance  on   the  Jews
and the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 CE  -  therefore
it  has  to be an interpolation  as   l    Thess    was
written  ca.  55  CE;   however  insistence  that  Paul
wrote this statement originally would    preclude  Paul
being the author as it would have to be after 70AD, but
Paul died before this date.
Paul also fails to mention any of  the  miracles  Jesus
is  reported  to have accomplished in the Gospels; Paul
suggests that miracles might  be  expected  wherever  a
Christian  mission  went,  for    he    includes    the
working of them among 'the gifts of the Spirit' (l  Cor
12:l0,28)  and himself claimed to have  won    converts
by  'the  power  of  signs  and wonders' (Rom l5:l9).
Among the signs of a true apostle,  he  lists    'signs
and  wonders  and mighty  works'  (2  Cor  12:12);  the
striking feature is that he  fails    to  mention  that
Jesus is reported as having done on an extensive  scale
in his earthly life. Another striking feature  is  that
whilst the Synoptic Gospels portray Jesus as an ethical
teacher, there is  no  suggestion  of  this  in  Paul's
letters; Paul is certainly not indifferent  to  ethical
problems and on  several    occasions    his    letters
contain  a  sizeable amount of ethical instruction.  On
only one occasion does he  represent  Jesus  as  having
made an ethical injunction and this is in l  Cor  7:l0
when Paul discusses the subject of divorce. The  Gospel
'parallel'  to this is Mark l0:ll-l2  (Matt  is  simply
following Mark), but there is  a difficulty  even  here
as some reject this is authentic as Jesus    refers  to
women divorcing their husbands - something that was not
possible in  Palestine.
   Some say the statement was assigned to Jesus through
Paul quoting a Christian  prophet (himself ?)   through
whom the risen Lord was speaking and  it    was    then
utilised  by  the author of Mark who placed it  in  the
mouth of Jesus  whilst  on  earth, but was careless  in
not realising that its context was Gentile  rather than
Palestinian. It is clear from  such  early    Christian
writings  as the Didache that as late  as  the  end  of
the  first  century  Christian prophets were viewed  as
being channels of communication for the  risen Lord.
Paul  was  content   to   suffer   weakness,   insults,
humiliation, persecution and  hardship  (2  Cor  l2:l0)
adding that he entreated the readers by  the  'meekness
and gentleness of Christ' (2  Cor  l0:l).  He    stated
that  he imitated Christ (l  Cor  ll:l)  and  that  his
whole existence was 'to  know  nothing....except  Jesus
Christ and him crucified' (l Cor 2:2) and then goes  on
to say he was with his readers in    'weakness,    much
fear  and trembling' (l Cor 2:3).  If  this  is  Paul's
'imitation' of Christ,  then it is a far cry  from  the
Jesus of the  Gospels  and  particularly   the  picture
of Jesus portrayed in John.  It  appears  Paul  thought
Jesus  led a  humble  inconspicuous  life  that    went
completely  unnoticed  by  the world.
Other situations arise in Paul's writing  that  suggest
knew very little about Jesus' supposed earthly life. He
clearly was unaware  of  Jesus' command not  to  go  to
the Gentiles (Matt l0:5) in Rom ll:l3, and in Rom  8:26
he states 'for we do not know how to pray as we  ought'
suggesting he knew nothing of Jesus instructions of how
to pray in  Matt  5:7-l3, Luke ll:l4; the  instructions
regarding baptism by Jesus in Matt    28:l9  were  also
apparently unknown to Paul (l Cor l:l7).
The person of Paul was that  of  someone  who  believed
that God  was   now  revealing  secrets  or  mysteries;
these term arise frequently in  Paul's letters,  eg.  l
Cor 2:7, l3:2,  l4:2,,  l5:51,    with  'revealed'  or
similiar arising  frequently  also,  eg.  Rom  l:l7,l8,
8:l8, l6:25, l  Cor 2:l0,l3, 3:l3,  2  Cor  12:l.  Paul
believed that he had  seen  the   risen  Jesus  (l  Cor
l5:8) and he  had  spoken  directly  to  him  (2    Cor
l2:8-9); he had  experienced  ecstatic  states  (2  Cor
l2:l-4,  l  Cor  l4:l8)  and  God  was  now   revealing
previously-hidden information (1 Cor 2:l0,12-13, 7:40).
A question therefore arises,  did Paul's  rather  scant
knowledge about Jesus arise through his belief that the
risen Lord was now communicating with and through  him,
alongwith    other    Christian    prophets,  or   from
information gleaned    from  earthly    companions  and
eyewitnesses of the earthly Jesus. One passage in which
Paul clearly refers to a  historical  event  in  Jesus'
earthly life,   ie.  the  last  supper,    is    1  Cor
11:23-26. However even this  passage    begins  "For  I
received  from  the Lord...."  and  again,     suggests
this  information was  transmitted directly from    the
risen  Christ,  rather   than  from  the  apostles.
 An inevitable question arises, ie.  why this should be
as Paul had met the   apostles    (Acts    9:27,    Gal
1:18-19,  2:2,9)  and  would  have    been  given  this
information by them  -  that  is  of  course  if  these
"apostles" had in fact accompanied  the  earthly  Jesus
rather than being as  Paul,  ie.  Christians  receiving
information direct from the risen Lord,   but  that  is
what the situation appears to have been.
Reference  to  Jesus'  resurrection,  rather  than  his
earthly life appears in  l  Cor  l5:3-8,   when    Paul
lists  the  resurrection   appearances  (apparently  in
chronological order); these bear no resemblance to  the
Gospels and reference to an appearance to 'all  the 12'
whilst Matt report  Judas' suicide again  suggests lack
of information; his mention of an appearance  to   five
hundred  brethren  at  one   time   (l5:6)   is   quite
extraordinary as  it  would  be  inexplicable  for  the
Gospel writers to have omitted this  event  if they had
known of it. The empty tomb, nor  Jerusalem  itself  is
ever  mentioned  by  Paul;  his   several   visits   to
Jerusalem, recorded  in   both  Acts  and  Gal.  surely
would have brought  him  into  contact  with  the empty
tomb; the failure to  mention  the  empty  tomb,  which
surely  would have had great significance for Paul  due
to    his    preoccupation    with  Jesus'  death   and
resurrection, may have been  due, unlike the    Gospels
reporting a physical resurrection,  to  a  belief    in
Jesus being  raised as a  spirit (l  Cor  l5:44,45,50).
The l Cor l5:3-8  passage  does  not link Jesus to  any
specific historical time; it simply reports that  he
died, was buried, was raised, and  had  appeared  to  a
number  of  people alive in Paul's time.  There  is  no
suggestion    whatsoever    that    these   appearances
occurred  immediately  after  his   death/resurrection.
Whilst  the  Gospels  have   Jesus   appearing   as   a
resurrected physical human being to  his  apostles  and
Acts having Jesus appearing in a totally different form
to Paul (ie. after his ascension), there is  no    such
suggestion here; Paul does not differenciate  in    any
way  between  the  earlier appearances in l Cor  l5:3-7
and the one to him (l5:8). It appears from this that he
believed all those listed in l5:3-7  had    experienced
the same vision as he had done  -  they  are  certainly
not  made  to  be companions of Jesus  in  his  earthly
life and Paul appears to  think  of the others who  are
listed as experiencing a supernatural vision as  he had
done. The reason for Jesus now appearing was apparently
because of the approaching end which  was  imminent  (l
Cor 7:29, l5:23-24, l  Thess 4:14-17, etc, etc).
Examples of Paul's failure to invoke Jesus' words are:-
Rom 2:l,l4:l3/Matt 7:l, Luke 6:37
Rom  l2:l4,l7/Matt  5:44,  Luke  6:38
Rom l3:9,Gal 5:l4/Matt 22:39-40, Mark l2:31, Luke l0:27
Rom l3:6/Mark l2:l7
Rom l4:l4/Mark 7:l8-l9
l Cor 6:7/Matt 5:39-40
l Cor l5:35-55*/Mark l2:25
l Thess 4:9/John l5:l7
(* In  l  Cor l5, Paul uses the O.T. rather than Jesus'
statements  in  the Gospels ie. l5:45 (Gen 2:7),  l5:54
(Isa 25:8) and l5:55 (Hos l3:l4).
Paul argues that the 'spirits  of  this  age'  will  be
put  down  at Christ's second coming (l  Cor  l5:24-25)
- he appears to  be  ignorant of the fact that  spirits
were overcome by Jesus in  his  earthly  life (eg. Mark
3:ll) and furthermore this was when Satan  himself  was
judged and cast out (John 12:31).
Furthermore there seems to be no  pagan  evidence   for
Jesus'  existence either. Reference  to  his  existence
doesn't occur until well  into  the second century  and
even then the writers seem to be    merely    repeating
Christian statements about Jesus (eg.  Tacitus  in  120
CE).    What  is really  striking  is  that  thee  same
ignorance about Jesus' earthly  life is found  in  most
other N.T writings, eg. in l Pet, readers are told to
love one another, have unswerving faith  and  put  away
malice - but  the writer never quotes Jesus'  words  in
the Sermon on the Mount -  instead he  quotes  the  Old
Testament.
With regard to Paul and the origins for Jesus,       it
does  seem  that Jesus'  'teachings'    overall    were
borrowed   from    the      O.T.      and  occasionally
elsewhere. It does also  seem  that  messages  received
'from the risen Lord' by Christian prophets  in  trance
were  fed  back  into Jesus' earthly life. The Didache,
a  Christian  writing  of  ca.  lst  century  (probably
from Syria) writes of Christian  prophets;  "Welcome
them as the Lord...Every missioner  who  comes  to  you
should be welcomed as the Lord....While  a  prophet  is
uttering words in a trance, you  are on no  account  to
subject him to any tests or verifications -  this  is
the  sin  that  shall  never   be   forgiven.......They
exhibit  the  manner and conduct of the Lord.....".
Here it can be seen these prophets  were  treated  with
the same  respect as Jesus himself; what they said  was
treated  as  coming  direct  from Jesus and was not  to
be questioned.  Furthermore  this  feature  is    found
elsewhere, eg. B.E.Beck (Senior  Tutor  and   Methodist
minister,    New  Testament  Studies,   Wesley   House,
Cambridge), in his  Reading  the  New Testament Today,
"....Sayings  attributed  to  Jesus  in  the    gospels
were  used    by  Christians  without  acknowledgement,
but  the  possibility  cannot  be ruled  out  that  the
reverse process has occurred -  maxims  in  general
use,  from  whatever  source,  have   been   mistakenly
attributed  to  Jesus, eg. Matt 6:34,  7:6.  Apparently
Christian prophets spoke in the name of the risen Lord,
that is, on his behalf. Were such sayings treasured as
those of the earthly Jesus ? Was any  real  distinction
made  between them when both were felt to  express  the
mind of the Lord who  had   now  risen  and  was  still
acting through his church ?............
  If the distinction was not sharply drawn, what was to
prevent a saying of the Lord, delivered through a prop-
het, being attributed to the Lord in his earthly minis-
try ?...".  Much the same thing is said by Ernest  Best
(Professor of Divinity and Biblical criticism, Univers-
ity of Glasgow)  in his book,  1 and 2 Thessalonians.
As Paul and indeed other N.T. writers  say  little   or
nothing  about Jesus' earthly life and Paul's knowledge
of  him  appears  to    have    come  directly  through
revelations and ecstatic states  (See 2 Cor ll:1, Gal
l:12);  at the end of the day it appears that Paul  and
a  few  others* believed there  were  getting  messages
from the crucified and  now-risen Christ who had  lived
on earth 'sometime  in  the  past'    and    was    now
revealing himself as the close of the age  dawned  (See
l  Cor  7:29, l0:11). * Note how the  post-resurrection
appearances listed in  l    Cor  l5:5-8  (which  flatly
contradicts the  Gospels)  does    not    differentiate
between the appearances to those listed in  l5:5-7  and
the one to Paul, but in fact the Gospels and Acts  have
Jesus' appearances  to  some  of those in l5:5-7  in  a
physical body and before his  ascension,  but  to  Paul
it was a wholly different experience,  ie.  a  blinding
vision  (eg. Acts 9:3-5), but the way in   which    the
l  Cor  l5  list  is  worded certainly   suggests  that
Paul believed the others  who  had   seen    the  risen
Lord experienced it in the same way  he  did   -    ie.
by  direct revelation. He seems to know nothing of  any
idea that  they  had  ever seen the earthly Jesus.

It is necessary to comment  on  the    argument    that
proposes   that   as   Josephus   and   Tacitus,   both
non-Christians,  refer  to Jesus, this surely proves he
was a historical personage.
These references are very brief  fleeting    statements
concerning    a Jesus by (1)Josephus (XVIII, 3.3),  ca.
95 CE  and  (2)Tacitus  (anals. xv,  44)  ca.  120  CE.
However  with  regard  to  these,  it  must  be  asked,
(1)Josephus. (i)Why do no Christians up to   the    4th
cent.  refer   to  Josephus'    priceless  remark  that
'Jesus was the Christ' ?  (ii)Why  does  the  Christian
apologist Origen  (l85-254  AD)  state    categorically
that Josephus  did  NOT  believe  that  Jesus  was  the
Christ  in  view  of  the statement that calls    Jesus
by this very title ?     (iii)How    could    a  strict
Pharasaic Jew make such a statement  ?  (iv)Why  is  it
written  in the same style as Luke ?     Surely    this
suggests  rather  than  being written  by  Josephus  it
was taken from this Gospel  ?  (v)Why  does    it  look
like an insertion in the  narrative  and    appears  to
interrupt  the flow, not following on from what is said
before and not  leading  into what is  said  afterwards
?  (vi)Why doesn't Josephus  say  more  about Jesus  if
he did really  believe 'he was the Christ'  ?  (vii)How
it    is  that  a  whole  host  of  eminent   Christian
theologians/scholars  who  firmly  believe  in   Jesus'
historicity reject the passage  ?
(viii)Why should this be genuine when other  copies  of
Josephus's  Antiquities  have been  discovered that are
heavily interpolated with Christian  references  ?
(ix)The very fact that it does appear to be a Christian
interpolation surely suggests there was a  problem,  as
why  should  Christians  feel there was a need to  even
do this ?
(2)Tacitus. It is never clear why this is even referred
to;  this  was written nearly a century after    Jesus'
supposed  existence  -  it  is  hardly  'contemporary'.
As Christians go on about this Jesus character, it is
interesting to see rather than what Christians say about
him, what the Bible says. and this is it...........
The Jesus of the Gospels is hardly the character that
Christians like to present, eg. he used violence - John 2:15
(and apparently encouraged it; before his arrest he told his
disciples to buy a sword; this was used immediately afterwards
- - Luke 23:36,49-50; if he was the omniscient Son of God, he
would have known this was to happen).
His purpose was to break up families - Matthew 10:34-35,
Luke 12:51-53.  He taught the gospel was not available for
certain races - Matthew 10:5-8, 15:24. He was ignorant of
the Scriptures he quoted - Mark 2:26 (In fact the priest
was Ahimelech, not Abiathar - see 1 Samuel 21:1,6).  He was
cruel to animals - Matthew  8:1-4 ('the offering' Jesus
commanded was a bird being sacrificed - Leviticus 14:2-5),
8:28-34.   He treated his mother with contempt - John 2:4.
He suffered fits of temper, not justified by the situation
- - Matt 21:18-19, 23:13-33 (In the John 7 outburst, in John
7:37, the Greek is 'to screech like a raven'). He was
hypocritical - Matthew  5:22 (Compare his action in Matthew
23:17); Matthew 6:14 (Compare Matthew 10:14-15); Matthew 7:1
(Compare John 5:30, 8:26).  He lacked sympathy for other
people's suffering - Matthew 8:21-22. He rejected his own
family - Matthew 12:46-50, Mark 3:32-35. He had contempt for
other religions and their adherents - Matthew 12:30, 23:2-33,
John 8:44,55. He deliberately taught in a way so people would
not understand him (and therefore be saved from going to
eternal hellfire) - Mark 4:9-12. He encouraged people to
desert their families - Matthew 19:29, Mark 10:29.
He taught people to hate* their families - Luke 14:26
(*The Greek here means 'active ill-will' or 'persecuting
spirit'). He  taught that suffering was to show God's glory
- - John 9:1-3. He ignored a woman pleading for his help: only
after she asked him three times did he condescend to help -
Matthew 15:22-28.  He taught that ill-health and human
suffering was the result of sin, or for the purpose of
glorifying God - Mark 2:5,11,12, John 5:8-14.
And furthermore, he clearly seemed to have thought that his
second coming/the end of the world, ie. the final judgement
(etc, etc) was only a short time away, eg. he told the high
priest that he would see his return - Mark 14:61-62, he told
three disciples that they would see his return - Matt 16;28,
he told the disciples he would return before they had preached
throughout Palestine - Matt 10:23.
Furthermore, when Jesus told his disciples about the end of
the world (Mark 13:3-27), he told them that the generation
living at that very time (ca. 30 AD) would still be alive when
"all these things", (ie. the Second Coming, the Final Judgement,
the end of the world,  etc, etc) took place (Mark 13:30).
Despite saying all this, only seconds later he then told the
disciples that no one - including himself - knew when
the end would come (13:3)
Also, he foretold that he would be buried for 3 days and 3
nights in Matthew 12:40 - but Friday evening (Mark 15:42-46)
to before Sunday daybreak (John 20:1-2) is NOT 3 days and 3
nights ! Mark 15:42 states he was buried AFTER sundown on the
Friday, ie. this in Jewish reckoning was in fact now Saturday
- - the sabbath (also burial on the sabbath was something quite
impossible to have happened!).
The Gospels repeately say how Jesus' death  etc  'fulfilled'
the Old Test scriptures (eg. Luke 24:27), but nowhere in the
Old Test does it say the messiah is to be killed, buried and
resurrected after 3 days.
With regard to the end of the world etc, Jesus stated that
there would be an "abominating sacrilege" (Matthew 24:15, Mark
13:14) which would cause a tribulation (Matt 24:16-28, Mark
13:15-23)  and IMMEDIATELY after this (Matthew 24:29), he
would return to usher in the Final Judgement (Matthew 24:29-31).
Now Luke has in the parallel passage, the "abominating sacrilege"
as the Fall of Jerusalem (Luke 21:20); as can be seen by Luke
21:21-23, the author of Luke does equate "the abominating
sacrilege"  of Matthew and Mark as Jerusalem's destruction).
However,  Jerusalem's destruction (particularly as described
in Luke) occurred in 70 AD - therefore isn't Jesus' return
(which remember, was supposed to occur "Immediately" afterwards),
somewhat overdue ?

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Virgin Birth
Christians have always argued for Jesus' virgin birth,
but also argue he was descended from David.  This overlooks
that if virgin born, Jesus' 'father' Joseph, albeit
descended from David, would have had no connection with
his conception, and his only human connection would have
been through/by/with Mary; however she was of the Aaronic
line (ie. she was related to Elizabeth who was of this
descent - Luke l:6, l:36). As Aaron was of the tribe of
Levi, but David was of Judah, then Jesus, if virgin born,
could not therefore be of Davidic descent and could not
be the messiah which demanded Davidic descent. Furthermore,
this would contradict all the N.T statements that Jesus was
a descendent of David - Matt 1:1, 12:23, 15:22, Mark 10:47,
Rom 1:3, Rev 5:5.  NB. Jesus didn't take on 'David's line'
through Joseph being his 'adoptive father' as Rom 1:3 makes
it quite clear that Jesus was of  David's 'seed' (semen).
So there is a problem; Jesus was either of David's line -
but that means he wasn't virgin born (ie. Joseph having to
have been responsible for his conception), or he was virgin
born, but that precludes him being of the Davidic line
(because only Mary was involved in his humanity and she
was not of the Davidic line) - so he couldn't have been
the Messiah/Christ as the N.T teaches.
NB. The virgin-birth story is only found in 2 of the 27
N.T writings, and in Luke, the style of writing indicates the
part that relates the infancy was written quite separately,
and added to the main story that begins in 3:1 (Note how 3:1
opens as a commencement here). Even the Catholic Jerusalem
Bible admits that Matt most likely had its virgin birth story
added to it also. In fact Luke conflicts sharply with Matthew,
eg. (i) Luke  has the birth in the time of the governor Quirinius
(2:2,3-7), whilst Matt has it in the time of Herod, but the
rule of these two never coincided or overlapped.  There is
no substance in the argument that the Ramsay Inscription
regarding Quirinius as dummvir 'proves' he was governor in
Herod's time, (ii) Matthew states that the family fled from
Judea immediately to Egypt (2:4-14) and stayed there;  Luke
has the family calmly going to Jerusalem in Judea after the
birth and then up to Galilee (2:21-22,39).
The only reason that Matt's author seems to have the story
is because he misunderstood Isa 7:14 that he read as messianic
(which it isn't) and referring to a virgin birth (which it
doesn't). This is simply the story of Isaiah saying to king
Ahaz that by the time that a young girl had conceived and her
baby was born, the present threat from Syria would be over
(7:14-17). There is NOTHING messianic about it at all.
In this, the child was to be called Emmanuel meaning 'God
with us', but the name 'Jesus' (in fact the Greek for the
Hebrew Jehoshua) means 'Yahweh is salvation',  so Jesus was
therefore not called by the name Emmanuel and therefore did
not fulfil this 'prophesy'; however Matt's author misunder
- -stood this and therefore couldn't have been the apostle of
that name as he was not a Palestinian Jew (nor an eyewitness
as he had to use Mark to write his Gospel). Isa 8:3-4 says
how Isaiah went and then impregnated his wife and the p