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Screaming In Digital 125 (Queensryche Fanzine)
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_Screaming_in_Digital______________________________Editor's Note_
Hello from Iowa, and welcome to February. First off, I'd
like to point out the most recent post about the favorite songs
poll that William's doing - you can find that in the news area.
Secondly, since there's a good bit of mention of related bands in
this issue, here are some addresses for those of you who wish to
discuss:
Dream Theater - ytsejam-request@bnf.com
Marillion - freaks-request@bnf.com
Hard rock in general - wilsonp@ucsu.colorado.edu
I encourage you to subscribe to any you find appropriate, as I
will be forced to begin returning submissions not pertinent to
Queensryche or this digest if the current trend continues.
But enough of me. On with the issue.
_Contents________________Contributors____________________________
New Album Anne-Marie <debont@kub.nl>
New Album Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
New Album Ryan <oldham@ucsu.colorado.edu>
Poll: Favorite Songs William <dhaller@umich.edu>
Shadowrun Art Ryan <rfkmieci@mtu.edu>
Silent Lucidity Scott <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>
Intelligence? Andrew <st92jwlc@duvm.bitnet>
Reader Directory? Greg <glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au>
SiD Relationships Matthew <mwboggan@utkvx.utcc.utk.edu>
Scarborough Fair Hatton <fshgg@aurora.alaska.edu>
Out-of-Print Records: David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
Back Issues? Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
New Album Title Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
New Album Title David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
New Album Title Andrew <st92jwlc@duvm.bitnet>
Last Time in Paris Rob <wallr@rpi.edu>
Last Time in Paris Scott <stephenssj@alpha.hendrix.edu>
Old Vs. New Michael <csc3mad@cabell.vcu.edu>
Old Vs. New Rich <rtoscano@icogsci1.ucsd.edu>
Old Vs. New Stephen <sgorny1@umbc2.umbc.edu>
Old Vs. New Matthias <mamurra@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
Old Vs. New Joe <gxl108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Screaming in Digital Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
Livecrime Jim <jimd@sscl.uwo.ca>
Eyes of a Stranger James <qralston+@pitt.edu>
The Killing Words Neil <neilu@gti-ia.nl>
The Killing Words Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Speech Recognition Than <nrbogan@maimonides.lcs.mit.edu>
Bootlegs Wanted David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
Bootleg Available Scott <stephenssj@alpha.hendrix.edu>
Related Bands Stephen <sgorny1@umbc2.umbc.edu>
Related Bands Stephen <nrm2147@rserver3.dsac.dla.mil>
Related Bands Scott <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>
Related Bands Elizabeth <bizbif@delphi.com>
Related Bands Torsten <torsten_berger@qmlink.draper.com>
Related Bands Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
_Neue_Regel_______________________________________News_&_Reviews_
New Album Anne-Marie <debont@kub.nl>
I was reading a Dutch magazine called WATT which has an
interview in it with several spokesmen/women of record companies.
They were asked to predict the bands they think will make it in
1994 and the person from EMI (Conny Kemp) mentions that
Queensryche is expected to release the new album in September.
If this is true it will be a long wait.
A quote from the article says, translated, "As the big
successes I see Pink Floyd, Queen, Queensryche, and Marillion.
In that order. Yes, a lot of old bands but they are interesting
as well." Obviously EMI sees Queensryche as one of their major
bands, at least over here in the Netherlands.
New Album Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
According to the English press, the new (as yet untitled)
album, is scheduled for early Summer release. The album is also
self-produced, and tour dates are being penciled in for late
Summer and early Autumn!
New Album Ryan <oldham@ucsu.colorado.edu>
I live near Chris DeGarmo in Seattle, and my friend was
talking to him at the market I work at when he was in. According
to Chris, the new album is going to be heavier and a little on
the darker side and he feels that it is going to be a great
album. If you doubt, I did see them talking for a long period of
time. Sorry to say that Chris didn't even know when it was going
to be out, but it sounds like it will be worth waiting for!
Poll: Favorite Songs William <dhaller@umich.edu>
I hear that some of you are having great difficulty
reaching my mail server. For those of you that are, send your
top 5 Queensryche songs to - userid=7b6q@um.cc.umich.edu - that
will, or should, get them to me. For all you that simply haven't
gotten around to it yet, send them in _now_! :)
{Do what he says, and nobody will get hurt. -sh}
_Speak______________________________________Comments_&_Questions_
Shadowrun Art Ryan <rfkmieci@mtu.edu>
In response to Matthew's post about the Shadowrun art, I
have noticed that also. The artist who does those drawings is a
known 'Ryche fan. He does a lot of other art in other gaming
books. You should check that out too.
Silent Lucidity Scott <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>
Am I the only one who thinks 'Silent Lucidity' is a
blatant 'Comfortably Numb' rip-off?
{In terms of overall sound, and the long "I" in
the chorus, Queensryche's Pink Floyd influences
are evident. However, the lyrical subjects are
very different. The band has said openly that
they're flattered to be compared to Floyd. -sh}
Intelligence? Andrew <st92jwlc@duvm.bitnet>
I heard that the band members were very intelligent, and
was wondering if any of them had degrees, and if so from where?
{As far as I know, their success musically cut
short any academic pursuits. Geoff, at least,
attended college; I believe he studied economics
and politics. -sh}
Reader Directory? Greg <glewis@maths.adelaide.edu.au>
A thought struck me (rare, I know) when I read Matthew's
post asking for e-mail. What is the possibility of a listing of
readers by area? I know it would need everyone who was listed
to agree with it for privacy's sake, but I just wondered how many
people are interested in maybe getting to know other 'Ryche fans
in their area?
{I already break down most of the mailing lists
by geographic area. The privacy issue would be
the only thing standing in the way of this. -sh}
SiD Relationships Matthew <mwboggan@utkvx.utcc.utk.edu>
I've always been a believer in the power of chaos - that
all events are random, and most often absurd. Who would guess
that after reading SiD for almost two years, I would finally
post, and that that post would change my life forever - for I
have met the woman of my wildest dreams by virtue of SiD!
{You can tell it's nearly Valentine's day. -sh}
_Spreading_the_Disease__________________________Info_&_Resources_
Scarborough Fair Hatton <fshgg@aurora.alaska.edu>
Can you tell me whether 'Scarborough Fair' is still
available on any US singles? I've heard that the 'Another Rainy
Night' single is no longer available with that as a B-side.
{You should look for the US single of 'Anybody
Listening?' which has it as a B-side. -sh}
Out-of-Print Records: David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
My girlfriend was telling me that Queensryche first
released an album but it didn't sell too well, then they later
lost print on it. I don't know if this is true, but enlighten
me please, and if someone has it, would you like to do some
trading?
{Your girlfriend is probably thinking of the EP
"Queensryche" which was originally released by
their own label, 206 Records, in a fairly small
quantity. EMI re-issued it when they signed the
band, and it is commercially available. The 206
release is fairly rare. -sh}
Back Issues? Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
I can tell that there are ongoing discussions about song
lyrics, but I have no way of knowing what has already gone by.
How can I find the previous 120 volumes? I would love to have
all the lyrics to the EP and "Warning" - did it ever have a lyric
sheet? - and especially all the mumblings and "blurbs" from all
the albums. Wouldn't everyone?
{Much of the information you seek is available
via FTP from the "Screaming in Digital" archive
at glia.biostr.washington.edu (in Seattle). If
you don't have FTP, you can send e-mail to an
FTPMAIL server to retrieve it. And sorry, but I
can't help with how to use FTPMAIL, you'd have to
ask the folks in charge at your site. -sh}
_The_Whisper__________________________________________Discussion_
New Album Title Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
Well, Metallica had the really great idea of calling the
last album "Metallica" - humm, so imaginative - so how about
calling the new Queensryche one "Queensryche," especially since
they have the same management, box set ideas, et cetera. I
really hope they don't call it that!
{They can't - they called the EP that. -sh}
New Album Title David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
"Sequences" sounds cool, better than "Fool's Genius."
Also, it sounds like a Rush title if you ask me. Being the Rush
Lunatic that I am, I thought I'd give my 2 cents worth on that
note.
New Album Title Andrew <st92jwlc@duvm.bitnet>
We don't know what the new CD will sound like, and we
don't know the ideas that surround the CD so if Queensryche
think "Sequences" is an appropriate name for the upcoming LP, I
trust their judgement. I think we should refrain from title
making and stick to listening! Besides, whats wrong with Rush?
Last Time in Paris Rob <wallr@rpi.edu>
Back in '91 I while I was driving to the Queensryche show
in Providence, RI, Chris DeGarmo was being interviewed by a local
radio station. They played 'Last Time in Paris' and Chris said
that song was a true account of what happened to Geoff during one
of their tours.
Last Time in Paris Scott <stephenssj@alpha.hendrix.edu>
In response to Judah's inquiry about the story behind
'Last Time in Paris,' I seem to recall having heard Geoff comment
about it on an episode of Rockline. I believe he mumbled
something about "an interesting adventure we had in Paris" or
something like that. I'm still looking for my tape of the show,
so if I come up with it I'll write back. Also, if anyone's
interested, many of the characters in "Mindcrime" were, in fact,
based on real people. Geoff and Chris, during their appearance
on MTV's Rockline (which I have taped), explained the origins of
Mary and Dr. X. Mary was a woman they saw in a nightclub (who
appeared to be on heroin) dressed in a nun's habit, clutching a
ragged teddy bear. Dr. X was an underground revolutionist
(although I'm not sure how active this man was) whom they met in
Canada. Just thought some of you out there might find that
interesting.
Old Vs. New Michael <csc3mad@cabell.vcu.edu>
I became a Queensryche fan soon after I saw the video for
'Eyes of a Stranger.' I purchased "Mindcrime" and have loved
Queensryche ever since. Previous to that purchase my brother had
"Rage for Order," which I did not care for. Later however, I
purchased "Warning." I liked most of the songs, mainly 'NM 156,'
'Take Hold of the Flame,' and 'Sanctuary.' After that I learned
to like "Rage." I love a lot of the songs on the album, but it
just took a little more exposure to the group before my tastes
changed enough to like "Rage." I think frame of mind has a lot
to do with your current tastes in music. To this day I'm still
afraid to purchase the 'Queen of the Reich' EP for fear that I
will hate it. Anyway, what I'm trying to say is, groups such as
Queensryche do take growing on before you can completely enjoy
what they have to offer.
Old Vs. New Rich <rtoscano@icogsci1.ucsd.edu>
Last issue, Mikel said, "It may be "different" from the
band you discovered in '82, but does that make it "worse?" I
think not."
No, being different is not what makes it worse, being not
as good is what makes it worse. I do not object to change. "The
Warning," "Rage," and "Mindcrime" all had different sounds, and
they were all incredible albums. "Empire," however, was lacking
the intensity, originality, and power of their other three LP's,
IMHO of course. I can sympathize with your Genesis plight; I
have been through that same experience with many bands. It is
for this reason that I have grown tired of being accused of
disliking something just because it represents a change in style.
I admire the fact that Queensryche attempted to change their
style, it just so happens that I hate what they changed it to.
Give your fellow listeners a little credit. We're not a bunch of
Pavlovian dogs - many of us actually listen to the music and
judge it by what we see as its merits.
Old Vs. New Stephen <sgorny1@umbc2.umbc.edu>
Obviously, as has been mentioned, there was not much time
for old stuff on the "Building Empires" tour. However, when the
band did their headline tour for "Mindcrime" back in '88 and '89,
they did a lot of old stuff. They opened their gigs in Japan
with 'NM 156' followed by 'Screaming in Digital.' Also on that
tour they performed 'No Sactuary,' 'Take Hold,' a lot of "Rage"
stuff and even a medley of tracks 2-4 from the EP. They threw in
'Queen of the Reich' as well.
Old Vs. New Matthias <mamurra@informatik.uni-bremen.de>
Personally, I don't have much trouble with a band
changing their style of music - that's why I like Queensryche so
much! - I do when they stick to it forever. While I don't listen
to the EP and "The Warning" so much at the moment - I agree that
the production could have been better - I don't understand why
some don't like "Rage" at all. It has occupied my CD player 95%
of the time in the last weeks :-) and I just can't get enough of
it! Until I was browsing through the FAQ, I thought that it was
a good album, but after reading "the favorite of many longtime
fans," I sort of re-discovered it and now I believe it's an
_awesome_ album. It sounds much more mature than the EP and "The
Warning" IMHO, and has some great songs to offer - besides the
obvious, 'Neue Regel' really blows me away. I couldn't agree
more with Chris, who said in the "Building Empires" video,
"...which is, I think in retrospect, a mistake. I kinda wish we
would have gone back and we could have done some really weird
videos because we had some really weird material on that album."
Old Vs. New Joe <gxl108@psuvm.psu.edu>
Wow, I wasn't expecting the type of responses I got from
the netters. I'd like to take issue with what some of you guys
said:
First of all, I'm not a dinosaur. I've evolved along
with the band, and would agree that "Empire," and especially
"Mindcrime" were great albums. But listen to Geoff's singing on
the EP and "The Warning," and tell me that he's still singing
with the same range he did back then. This is taking nothing
away from him, but I don't think he's the singer he once was.
He's still my favorite singer in all of rock. But I remember
what happened to the man he replaced in my mind - Rob Halford.
Listen to what happened to his voice from "Hell Bent for Leather"
through to recent albums. I think that the same thing is
happening to Geoff.
And in case you're wondering why 'Ryche caught on in the
first place - it was all because of Geoff's voice. I agree that
their early stuff was kinda cheesy - a mix of Maiden and Priest
was how most of us used to describe it back then - but Geoff's
singing was great, and the music was energetic.
I saw the "Mindcrime" and "Building Empires" tours, and
though I know my memory is going in my old age, they rarely, if
ever, play old stuff. But what drove me to make my comment about
their being embarrassed by their old stuff was two things.
First, Geoff introduced 'Roads to Madness' in an almost
apologetic manner during the concert at Worcester, MA on the
"Building Empires" tour. Secondly, other bands who have a lot
more material to cover - for instance, Priest - still find time
to visit old songs to satisfy the old geezers that bought their
early albums and put them in the position to write a "Mindcrime."
It was great to hear and see "Mindcrime" in its entirety, I was
just saying that I wanted to hear more of their old stuff in
concert.
By the way, with 1200 subscribers, am I the only one who
actually prefers the old stuff? How about some help from some of
you other guys. There must be a couple more misguided idiots
like me out there.
_The_Killing_Words________________________________Interpretation_
Screaming in Digital Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
'Screaming in Digital' is certainly about an AI, and its
rather unique perspectives. Also, 'NM 156,' on "Warning," has
similar, though less developed content. By the way, anyone have
the complete lyrics to 'NM 156?' The astuteness of these songs
has always entranced me, it's part of what really got me into
liking them. Years ago I imagined a third song with lyrics about
an AI, and when the song never appeared, I wrote lyrics.
{Matt included the lyrics he wrote. Due to their
length I'm not going to include them here, but
will put them up for FTP. -sh}
Livecrime Jim <jimd@sscl.uwo.ca>
Since there has been a little thread going on deciphering
bits of songs which are unclear, I was wondering if anyone can
help me on this one. On "Livecrime" just before 'Speak' Geoff is
using a megaphone to "speak" to the audience. The only part I
can hear is "Madison! Madison! Speak!" I think there is more,
but I can't make it out. What do others think?
Eyes of a Stranger James <qralston+@pitt.edu>
During 'Eyes of a Stranger' I'm pretty sure Geoff says,
"I see behind my stare." Considering the lyrics of the chorus,
"Afraid to know what lies behind the stare," it makes sense.
The Killing Words Neil <neilu@gti-ia.nl>
I have to go back on my suggestion for 'The Killing
Words.' I watched "Unplugged" again and I'm afraid I have to
agree with Clive, that the first line is, "Now the wireless in my
hand is ringing." It also fits with the lines that follow it.
Still I played the CD to a friend of mine, trying to get an
unbiased opinion and he reckoned it was, "Oh my God my head is
breaking." And I thought I was having difficulties.
The Killing Words Chris <cmr@cck.coventry.ac.uk>
My girlfriend reckons that first line is "The wireless in
my head keeps ringing," as was mentioned by numerous others.
Speech Recognition Than <nrbogan@maimonides.lcs.mit.edu>
I noticed someone begging for a speech recognition expert
to help with 'The Killing Words' soft-spoken lyrics. I am _not_
an expert, and I should warn that I can't vouch for the absolute
accuracy of my remarks. But as an AI major at MIT I have learned
enough to let everyone know that speech recognition offers no
help whatsoever. Skip the rest of this if you're a technophobe,
but I have a feeling a few curious readers would kill me if I
didn't explain why.)
Many sounds in human speech are actually part of a
continuum of sound patterns. For example a computer can generate
a sequence of sounds that slowly shifts from B to P. The big
problem is that different humans (particularly who speak
different languages or dialects or have different accents) will
identify a different place as the actual break between B and P.
Thus, given a particular sound as input, it may fall into the
range that can be either a B or a P, depending on who you ask.
This is true for many other sounds in human speech, including
virtually all vowels.
In computerized speech recognition (and presumably inside
of the human brain as well), this ambiguity is resolved from
context. Try this: walk into a bakery and ask "How's the pred
today?" I can guarantee you'll get an answer to the question you
obviously meant to ask (about the _bread_), rather than a query
as to what pred is.
The problem is amplified with quiet or slurred speech and
resolution-enhancing filters are of no use in this case (if you
_really_ need to know why, write me personally). So I'm afraid
the only way to find out what Geoff is _really_ trying to say
there is to _ask_ him!
_Anybody_Listening?_______________________________Advertisements_
Bootlegs Wanted David <tvos@umcc.umich.edu>
I'm looking for bootlegs of each tour that Queensryche
came out with, you can omit "Empire" which I have. These are for
my girlfriend; she loves Queensryche. I think they are cool with
some of their material, but I still live for Rush. By the way,
if anyone would like to get with me on trading boots. I have
mega Rush shows on video, audio, pro shots, sound boards, et
cetera, you name it.
Bootleg Available Scott <stephenssj@alpha.hendrix.edu>
I have a bootleg tape - which most unfortunately is of
only satisfactory quality - of a live show of Queensryche which
has a couple of interesting songs they performed. There's a
slow, acoustic version of 'No Sanctuary' from "Warning," and two
covers of classic songs. They do 'Revolution' by the Beatles and
'Gimme Shelter' by the Rolling Stones - Ann and Nancy Wilson from
Heart sing backup on 'Shelter'. Also, they perform 'Anybody
Listening?' from "Empire," which is the only time I've ever heard
it live. The sound quality is decent for most of the album;
however, 'Revolution' sadly suffers the worst recording. I'm
very interested in hearing a quality version of this song live,
believe me - it rocks! I'd me more than happy to make anyone a
copy, so if anyone's interested please e-mail me. Also, if
anybody else out there has any other recordings of rare or
interesting songs performed live, please let me know. Thanks.
_Breaking_the_Silence______________________________Miscellaneous_
Related Bands Stephen <sgorny1@umbc2.umbc.edu>
In last week's issue, someone mentioned that Dream
Theater's first album, "When Dream and Day Unite" and Glenn
Danzig's "Black Aria" are both out of print. Technically, that's
only in the U.S. Both are still readily available (or were as of
last September) as European imports.
Related Bands Stephen <nrm2147@rserver3.dsac.dla.mil>
I recently saw a copy of the first Dream Theater CD for
under $20. I also saw a live French import (not bootleg) for the
same price. Just for those folks info.
Related Bands Scott <srh1@cec.wustl.edu>
I've seen "When Dream and Day Unite" by Dream Theater in
plenty of stores. I'm not exactly sure of what is meant by "out
of print," but I know it was only released in Europe, and is
probably still in print since I see it in new, not used, stores.
Related Bands Elizabeth <bizbif@delphi.com>
Although I know this is a fairly odd comparison, if
anyone has the first Pantera album with Phil Anselmo singing -
pre-"Cowboys from Hell," I think it came out in about '88, but
I'm really not sure, and I've also blanked on the name of it, so
this isn't the most definite post ever, where was I? Oh yeah.
The first Pantera album with Phil - on a couple of the songs, he
really sounds like Geoff Tate. Of course in some of the same
songs he also sounds like Rob Halford, so I don't know that this
proves anything. Just thought I'd mention it.
Related Bands Torsten <torsten_berger@qmlink.draper.com>
I realize this ain't the place, but I'm telling everyone
I can reach. Marillion's new album, entitled "Brave," will be
released in the US next Tuesday, February 8th, one day after its
European release. If you're at all interested, buy it!
Related Bands Matt <matt.burnett@acebbs.com>
Someone pointed out that Fates Warning is similar to
Queensryche. This is indeed true. Their newest, "Parallels," is
kind of like "Empire," a broadening of their appeal, weaker than
previous efforts (don't attack me, it's just IMHO). The two
before are _great_. "Perfect Symmetry" from 1989, and "No Exit"
from 1987 are truly awesome albums. Their oldest stuff, like
"Spectre General" and "Awaken the Guardian," is also very good,
and is kind of like "Warning" or EP Queensryche. They are a very
similar sounding band, but definitely _not_ the same, _not_
copy-cats. Check them out, although they are hard to find.
_________________________________________________________________
That's all for this week, see you again for Valentine's!
And remember, as Geoff put it, "Love is a many... twisted thing."
'Ryche on,
-Shag
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