EDITED TRANSCRIPT OF THREAD ON KEELY ------------------------------------ My DOS CIM archive got corrupted and some messages became unaccessible. Here is what I could reconstitute from my auto-filed messages (which also got missing at one time because of loss of CIM settings). If someone finds that any large section of my exposes are missing, please notify me and send me a copy so that I can update this file. ------------------------------------ Subj: Keely and his inventions Section: New Age Sciences From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 94712, 2 Replies To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 22-May-93 17:21 John Worrel Keely did most of his activity between 1872 and 1898. He demonstrated the potential power in vibratory rates. For example, he demonstrated the movements of weight by striking the strings of a zither; another device generated tremendous power by simply pouring a quart of water into a cylinder wheer tuning forks "liberated" energy inherent in the molecules of water. He also fired a small canon with this same mysterious force. He evolved, almost instantaneously, according to the attestation of a witnessing group, a substance having elastic energy varying from 10,000-20,000 psi, and instantly discharged or liberated it into the atmosphere, without the evolution of heat in its production, or of cold on its sudden liberation. Dr. Thomas Henry Moray did also generate useful electric power from an apparent invisible "vibratory" source. There is also a Karl Schaeffer (I never heard about him) who developed a device that obtains energy from the molecules of water by shaking, choking and vibrating it. Keely exhibited his "vibratory generator" for the first time in Philadelphia on 10 Nov 1874. Most of his research under the "Keely Motor Co." was supported by Mrs. Bloomfield Moore who inherited vast sums of money from her husband Edmund Moore. Her son, Clarence R. Moore was Keely's biggest detractor because he despised the "waste of money", i.e. he did not like to see it spent before he could one day touch inheritance money (when his mother would pass away). Clarence even led a party of detractors to tear up the floor under Keely's appartment the day after the inventor's death. Many of Keely's demonstration took place in that appartment and beneath the floor, they found a huge metal globe filled with brass tubing. Holes had been drilled in the floor joists to allow tubing to pass through, and their conclusion was that Keely used air pressure to accomplish his "unexplained power" demos. However, no compressor was found and at no time during any of the demo did anyone here the unmistakable sound of pneumatics in action. Keely's backer said that they knew of the hidden sphere and that it was used as a "vibratory chamber". Mrs. Moore wrote the book "Keely and his Discoveries" and understood better than most what it was that Keely attempted to demonstrate. If the universe was indeed vibratory in nature, then certain harmonics might be the key to harnessing this vibratory nature as a power source. Her book was written long before the atomic age sucessfully split unseen particles but she forecasted such feat. At that time, the orthodox scientists refused to admit the possibility of subdivision of all corpuscules of matter. Keely declared that it can be done by certain orders of vibration, thus showing up new elements. By analogy to explosive, where Keely describes the fire as the exciter or order of vibration which liberates the energy from the constituants of gunpowder, and concussion which liberates thenergy from dynamite, Keely said that he discovered another order of vibrations which dissociates the elements of water into immeasurable volumes of force. (This is supposed to call to mind the steam-making device invented by Karl Schaeffer). My guess is that Keely had found a way to dissociate water molecules by acoustic means. I once read that frequencies around 600-690 Hz had been found to make water bubbles when done inside a closed cavity where standing waves are produced. If this is done inside a closed container, it can be expected that it would raise the pressure inside the vessel, thus 10,000 psi would be entirely within the realm of possible. ----------------------------- Another message around 22/24 May 93: Of course, Keely's secrets died with him so any work done in that field has to be re-invented. It cannot be re-engineered because we don't know what happened to his devices. It is stated somewhere that shortly after Keely's death, a certain Mr. Konrade removed several of the machines from Philadelphia to his own workshop in Boston. After setting them up, he was unable to make them function. In explaining away his failure, he said that he discovered heavy springs and concealed gears which were put in motion by a concealed water pump in an adjacent house. However, the almost microscopic diameter of the alleged supply tube makes it hard to believe that it was used as a source of supply. But from there, the trace stops. Maybe they are still left rusting away in some Boston's backyard. At the moment, there is only one person known to be building a Keely machine. His name is Mr. John Howie, P.O. Box 193, Fort Shepstone, Natal, South Africa, who has nearly completed (as of 1973; he may not even be there now!) a working reproduction of Keely's musical ball. Musical balls were metal spheres having 6 inch of diameter, "having chords of mass of B flat first octave, E (sic; more likely B) flat second octave, and B flat third octave", which rose and descended in a glass tank ak water according to which note was struck. Keely is said to have written papers describing his work but none of these have been traced. (they might still be lying in some private library). The titles are: a. Theoretical Expose or Philosophical Analysis of Vibro-Molecular, Vibro-Atomic, and Sympathetic Vibro-Etheric Forces, as applied to induce Mechanical Rotation by Negative Sympathetic Attraction. b. Explanatory Analysis of Vibro-Acoustic Mechanism in all its Different Groupings or Combinations to induce Propulsion and Attraction (Sympathetically) by the power of Sound-Force; as also the Different Conditions of Intensity, both Positive and Negative, on the progressive Octaves to Ozonic Liberation and Luminosity. c. The Determining Principle of Matter, or the Connective Link between the Finite and the Infinie, progressively considered from the Crude Molecular to the Compound Inter-Etheric; showing the Control of Spirit over Matter in all the Variations of mass-Chords and Molecular Groupings, both Physical and Mechanical. d. 24 charts showing details of his various inventions. As you can see, Keely had his own "hermetic" terminoly which is said to have been inspired from Angus MacVicar who published "A Sketch of a Philosophy" in 1873 or 1874. In that publication, MacVicar considered that all motion in the Universe was rhytmical but his book is said extremely hard to read and understand. BTW, in another article, it is said that the book by Mrs. Moore, there is not one single description of any of Keely's inventions adequate for present day understanding for rebuilding them. -------------------------- Another message around 24/25 May: >>Is there a collectors forum on CIS?<< Good idea. There must be one but it is more likely to be restricted to common collectible goods (beer cans, stamps, etc). But if the guy collects Keely's stuff, he's more likely to browse the New Age Forum. Ri-i-ight? >>Mrs. Moores book not worth even tracking down<< Depends for what purpose. The way it is critiqued, it does not sound too good for scientific purpose. >>seems everything associated with Keely is either third-hand, lost, or Hermetic to be useless. Am I overreacting here?<< No. It is unfortunately as much a legend as Tesla is, or even more! But there are weird events that have been witnessed and it is nice to know that some weird phenomena are possible. There have been a few researchers who have tried to make sense of Keely stuff and who hopefully have some bits of results. But I don't know. For example, I hope to get in contact with Dale Pond, the ex-publisher of Sympathetic Vibration Journal, for a possible CO one day. >>I fear that conservation of energy will make the gains a washout with standard electrolysis<< That's what they were saying about Cold Fusion before. Right? And many American establishments were whining that it was a lost cause. Yet we have the Japanese and the Italian getting IMPRESSIVE results. Let's not give up prematurely. Also, re. the establishment, I would not be surprized that it was an attempt at stopping cold fusion in its track having for aim to guarantee the utility companies (and government) an uneventful stream of revenues for years to come. Furthermore, if you have read the case about Marinov, his case about a faulty relativity theory might also be justified/absolved under such "conspiracy" approach. It is thus important to keep an open channel for unorthodox views. That reminds me of Vogel's crystals... but that is for another topic. ------------------------- Another message around 25 May: >>any magic frequency(ies) which, with or without the aid of electrolysis, would allow one to split water into H2 & O2 with less total energy than just electrolysis alone?<< Puharich is supposed to have done research on that. It is that frequency around 600 Hz. But I will have to recheck the details. Some of my files have vanished during my disk crash so I may need to relocate where I got them from. From: Humble Student 72000,2056 # 94772, 1 Reply To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 22-May-93 22:23 Keely's vibratory work brings to mind a rumor about one of Tesla's inventions. Something like this: Tesla was working on a vibratory device that would automatically find the resonant frequency of the surface it was attached to. That's no big deal by itself, but here's where the story gets intriguing. He supposedly built a feedback loop into the device that would then amplify the resonant frequency. Well, now maybe your asking - so what? The idea was that he would attach it to the supporting member of a large structure like a bridge or a building pillar and the thing would find the resonant frequency of the building or support and shake the whole building apart. The denouement: the invention was supposedly so dangerous that Tesla destroyed all the plans. My guess is that the story is pre-WWII, because in retrospect of our time, it seems like a sort of silly "weapon" in retrospect, and viewed from a contemporary perspective, would be useful as a demolition tool. Have you ever heard this story? From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 94881, 1 Reply To: Humble Student 72000,2056 Date: 23-May-93 13:30 >>Have you ever heard this story?<< Not that exact one but something similar. Tesla was using this mechanical resonance exciter in an experiment. For some reason, he could not shut it off. Of course, the vibrations were just getting stronger and stronger and many people around including the police were converging on the place. When they arrived there, they found Tesla with a sledge hammer trying to stop the machine in some way. I don't think he destroyed the plan though. I had also read that one day, he demonstrated a resonating device onto a platform for a guest to stand on. Tesla started the device and within a few seconds, the guest had to be excused to go to the washroom. (It would have had an effect on the intestinal tract!). Walter Baumgartner (previously editor of Energy Unlimited) had developed such a tele-geo-dynamic device. In his article, he says that on 11 July 1935, Tesla announced that he had perfected an apparatus by which mechanical energy could be transmitted to any part of the terrestrial globe. Sonic transmitters led to the discovery of a new wave mechanics and principles of how sound vibrations can be propagated in the earth without attenuation. This discovery is still new today (as of 1983). The article is in the 2nd International Symposium on Non-Conventional Energy Technology Proceedings, 9-11 Sep 1983, Atlanta, Georgia. There are also stories of a late Swiss doctor by the name of Hans Jenny of Cymatics, who did experiments with sound vibrations on liquid mediums. He mapped and photographed results on different frequencies and qualities of sound with spectacular results. He showed over and over again patterns of motion as swirling vortices. He even had results of fluid levitating out of the vortices in spherical forms and changing into gases and dissipating into the air with certain resonant conditions. Unfortunately, I don't have much info on that fellow. Back to Keely, there used to be a Journal of Sympathetic Vibratory Physics put out by Delat Spectrum Research in Virginia Beach, Va. I tried to get in touch with them a while ago but my letter got returned. The First International Keely Symposium was in Dallas on 1 Aug 1987 and it was co-sponsored by Vanguard Sciences (They are the guys at Keelynet). So maybe I should check with Jerry Decker the next time I log onto Keelynet. From: Humble Student 72000,2056 # 94942, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 23-May-93 19:50 The story sounds apocryphal to me, but that's not a reflection on Tesla's genius as an inventor, just a comment on all the weirdness that follows as part of his heritage. There was a used bookstore in Burbank that carried the "Tesla Speaks" series of books that had some kind of after-death or channeled communications with him, which made me a little wary, and there is a group associated with the books, which you may know about, that ascribes metaphysical significance to the old guy. The resonator story doesn't make sense: every object has a different resonance. And since human beings are mostly liquid, wouldn't that have the effect of cancelling or damping vibration? If we were liquids in a rigid container, that would be another matter, but humans have a flexible covering, and it seems almost unbelievable that you could get humans to resonate by using an external plate. Maybe with an induction field, or some kind of sonic field, but there would be tissue damage to the eyes and ears with sound. It might be possible, given the kind of control that the nervous system has to induce an electric or magnetic fields. You could get a resonance using the muscular system, sort of like the surface electrodes they use for weight reduction and muscle toning. As to the propagation of sound energy through the earth: how would it not be dissipated? Did Baumgartner have a prototype or is this all theory? Jenny's ideas sound interesting - it sounds like those ultrasonic humidifiers where vibrations vaporize liquids without heating. Let me qualify my comments at the end here with the fact that bright people and inventors in particular can do wonderful things. My comments are based on my own conventions (and healthy skepticism) about second, third and fourth hand stories. That conventionalism is based on my understanding of physical laws. Inventors can often circumvent the conventional through their creative efforts. So for me, it is a matter of saying "show me" when it comes to unconventional science. There are some brilliant people floating around who run into endless barriers with financing and funding because people just refuse to accept new ideas that conflict with older kinds of conventionalism. And in a way that will hold the nation back. If something is too unusual or too far ahead of its time, the poor inventor can end up in the poorhouse trying to convince people. And a decade or two later, or as with Babbage and his Engines, 150 years later, we finally discover that they were right. Imagine if the British government had continued funding Babbage's computers. We'd be colonizing the planets around Alpha Centuri by now. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 95039, * No Replies * To: Humble Student 72000,2056 Date: 24-May-93 12:52 >>group associated with the books, which you may know about, that ascribes metaphysical significance to the old guy.<< No. Did not hear about such group. Of course, you have to realize that channeled communications etc., are similar to "fan clubs" activities and do not involve him directly. It is certainly hard to verify the channel information unless we succeed to improve dramatically on the Electronic Voice Phenomenon. >>The resonator story doesn't make sense: every object has a different resonance. And since human beings are mostly liquid, wouldn't that have the effect of cancelling or damping vibration?<< An object is an object. Even a mass of jello has resonance at a given frequency. If you ever hear about infrasounds, they are said to be lethal to man near the resonance frequency of the spine. In the case of Tesla, he probably had it set to a frequency which corresponded to some physilogical process of the intestine. The man standing on the plate (similar to the ones that they use to simulate earthquake) would feel the vibrations being transmitted via his legs. From your message, I read that you implied that the plate was an electrical plate. No. It was a mechanical device. >>As to the propagation of sound energy through the earth: how would it not be dissipated? Did Baumgartner have a prototype or is this all theory?<< Yes. Baumgartner had a prototype. He published some calculations and photos in that Proceedings of Non-Conventional Energy Technology. Of course, he did not get the same strong results as Tesla. But he draws some conclusion that the power transmitted depends on the length of the stroke and the size of mass being used to impart the energy. From: Humble Student 72000,2056 # 95174, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 25-May-93 00:40 Thank you for the reply. Channeled communications are too confusing to me, since the metaphysics behind it requires many leaps of both faith and logic. When I said "channeled", that is the contemporary term, though I forget how the stories were communicated, presumably through some kind of "medium". Infrasound is another topic. Is this documented lethality, or is it based on a theory? Would it be mechanical/physical damage caused by compression? Elephants use infrasound to communicate over long distances, and perhaps whales do as well, though that is speculation on my part. The plate is mechanical, that was my understanding, but how would resonance be determined? Could one be built using contemporary microphones and computer processing. Would it replace Ex-Lax? Seriously, a non-invasive laxative would be a medically useful device in hospitals and for people with immune disorders, who could not tolerate strong medicines. It would seem that liquid dispersion based on Baumgartner's research would be useful for everything from paint application, carburetors, insecticide dispersal and product mixing. How come no one is using it? The resonant balls: there are small bell like spheres used for a kind of hand acupuncture in China that resonate in the hand, and have been used since the Ming dynasty. They seem to be hollow with a ball bearing or something inside. One is yin the other yang and the circular manipulation (sort of like Captain Queeg's) is supposed to stimulate the meridians used in the body's energy flow. It is supposed to be good for the elderly. One has a high tone the other a low tone. Have seen smaller bells made of silver from Switzerland that seem to resonate in a similar way, but perhaps have some kind of magnetic sphere inside the larger outside sphere, because they ring when shaken. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 95405, * No Replies * To: Humble Student 72000,2056 Date: 25-May-93 19:02 >>Infrasound -- documented lethality, or theory?<< Documented. I had read about it in Science and Mechanics (or something like that) QUITE a while ago. From what I remember, I think that the damage would be caused by resonance at which the sudden change of direction of organs would rip them off or damage them (due to their inertia). >>mechanical plate but how would resonance be determined? Could one be built using microphones and computer processing<< If you have ever seen military gear subjected to vibration testing, you should get the picture. They have a platform on which they fasten the device under test and cycle the platform through different frequencies and amplitude of vibrations. They also test them along the 3 different dimensional axis. If you stand on it, there is certainly going to be one or more frequencies at which you will feel "weird". >>liquid dispersion of Baumgartner's research would be useful<< ??? I did not say that he did research on liquids. He did the research on the tele-geo-dynamic device (a sort of piston like machine). It is the Swiss doctor by the name of Hans Jenny of Cymatics, who did experiments with sound vibrations on liquid mediums. Why it is not used? I don't know. It is probably used in very specialized fields of hydro-dynamics but I am not in position to tell you whether or not it is. I did not know about those Chinese and Swiss balls. What size are they? (probably smaller than the 6" diameter mentioned?) ----------------- Another message around 25/26 May: Here are some numbers to quench your thirst! :-) I have an article written by Dr. Richard Lefors Clark authorizing unlimited distribution of its content. He is commenting Keely as follows (extracted and summarized)): He was working in the acoustical freq. range of what is generically called gravity control (levitation/antigravity). There are many freq ranges in the EM spectrum that offer this capability but the easiest to use by amateurs is the lowest major gravity standing wave section between 7.8Hz and 60KHz. Audio is in that band and the frequencies of gravity control in that range are 7.8Hz, 73.5 Hz, 690 Hz, and 6,450 Hz. The first two are the strongest but the other ones can do the job with more power. Causing levitation is then only a matter of multiple speakers or transducers to radiate the signal properly arranged. Usually 6-8 or more signal sources equidistant from the object to be levitated are required. These multiple sources are equally spaced around the levitation object in 90 deg or 180 deg arrangement. The 3 critical factors are the signal feed-in angles, the signal phasing, and thelevels. That's quite a number of permutation and that would Levitation by Tibetan monks has also been reported with acoustic. They levitate large rocks with audio-frequencies using only drums and trumpets. Clark guesses that the Tibetans use 73.5 Hz and 690 Hz with those particular instruments. The musical score must sound very strange to achieve the proper phasing and power criteria. I had to dig up the Tibetan diagram as it was not included with the article (although it says that it was included). The diagram was reported around 1958 by an engineer named Henry Kjellson and later in his book "A Lost Technique" (probably in a foreign language). It was from a joint travel with Dr. Jarl (swedish). Here's the diagram: | | ==|__ Cave opening level | | 250m | | |_____________X_____________XX________________ <--- 250m --> <--- 63m ---> sound instruments The rocks being lifted were typically 1 meter long and 0.5 meter high. (probbaly used for catapults). Nineteen musical instruments were put into a quarter circle at 63 meters from the rock. 13 drums and 6 trumpets (ragdongs). The 8 large drums had a square surface area of 1 meter and a length of 1.5 meter. The four medium drums were had a square surface area of 0.7 m and a length of 1 m. The small drum had a surface of 0.2 m and length of 0.3 meter. All trumpets were small size and a length of 3.12 meter and an opening of 0.3 m. All instruments could be moved in the direction of of the rock. The large drums were made of 3 mm steel and built in 5 sections (total 150 Kg). All drums were open on one end. Behind each instrument was a row of 5 monks singing continuously their prayer or mantra. Nothing happened during the 1st 4 minutes but the tempo gradually increased and the stone started to oscillate back and forth. Then it shot up with an increasing speed up to the cave level 3 minutes later. Once in a while, a stone burst into pieces. So here's the sequence of instruments inside a 90 degree arc (the center being lined up with the rock). L T L L T L M T M S M T M L T L L T L Where L: Large drum, M: Medium drum, S: small drum, T: trumpet. A film was made and was supposed to be released in 1990 by an English scientific association. So here's something to play with! From: Humble Student 72000,2056 # 95549, 1 Reply To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 27-May-93 04:20 The chinese balls are about 1 and 1/2 inches in diameter, weigh several ounces. They are sold in a number of oriental curio shops and some catalogs. The swiss ones were tiny, maybe a 1/2 or 3/4 inch. From: David Saltman 76340,213 # 95586, * No Replies * To: Humble Student 72000,2056 Date: 27-May-93 13:48 Am following your conversation with openmouthed interest. On the Chinese balls: they vary in size, from maybe three-quarters of an inch diameter to about two inches. Some are hollow, with "chimes" inside, some solid. They are usually chromium-coated brass. The trick is to roll them in the palm so they do not "click." You can go either direction. Then, once you've mastered that, you roll them so they do not touch, using your middle finger as a "separator." Your hands feel great afterwards,and you get a flow of energy throughout the body. -------------------------- Another message on 26/27 May, resent on 3 Jun 93: Keely also developed a "liberator" which was made of a series of 40 tuning forks (brass resonants) arranged in circle. The vibrations were said to be able to disintegrate air and release the etheric force capable of rivaling a cyclone in strength. He also had a "disintegrator" designed to utilize the tremendous forces released when vibrations disintegrated molecules of water. It weighed 500 lbs and had the shape of a ball. In 1974, he exhibited his fuel-less motor to a dozen of well known Philadelphians. When spoken of in familiar term, it was called a vibratory generator but the full name was hydro-pneumatic- pulsating-vacue-engine. That's is essentially when he started his motor company. Then there was the "multiplicator" claimed to "produce a vaporic or gaseous force of great expansive energy (i.e. pressure), from cold water, unaided by heat, electricity, galvanism, or chemical substances other than water and air". According to the description, it sounds like a gas generator. To rub off skepticism, he offered a demo with complete explanation of the working principles on the conditions that the witnesses be bound by a non-disclosure agreement. However, they would be able to attest to the results and give a general description of the device. The multiplicator was a series of iron chambers, nearly all of which were of cylindrical form, connected by pipes, and furnished with various corks and valves. The total dimensions were 36 inch high, 24 inch long, and 13 inch wide, with a capacity of 7 gallons. Note: all dimensions are approximate. The multiplicator was connected with a sort of pressure indicator placed 12 ft away and connected by a 1/10 inch pipe diam. 8 feet away, a cylindrical wrought-iron reservoir, 6 inch diameter and 40 inch long, was connected to the multiplicator by a 1 inch pipe. There was also a "standpipe" of brass having 2.5 inch diam and 3 ft high, with a spherical chamber at bottom, connected to the 1 inch pipe connecting the multiplicator and the other reservoir. Then there was a small "beam" engine located 6 ft away from the multiplicator and colocated with a cylindrical brass reservoir of 5 inch diam and 27 inch long. It was connected to the wrought-iron reservoir by a 1/10 inch tube. Most of the demo was in proving that air could go through the device (by blowing with his mouth into the different reservoirs), and that water could go also go through it without being affected (i.e. looking for signs of chemicals inside). The water was tasted too. For production of gas, air was first introduced for approx. 30 seconds with only the strength of his lungs. Then the water introduced in the multiplicator was introduced at 26 psi for about 2 minutes. But the multiplicator produced the gas at 1430 psi. Improved versions reached peak pressures of 30,000 psi. The gaseous fluid escaping was found to be destitute of taste or smell, and not inflammable or explosive; neither did it extinguish combustion unless used to blow out with force onto a candle. So that means it was not dissociated water. It had no smell and could be inhaled without any effect. In the operation of the reaction wheel and engine, a gaseous fluid was exhausted but no moisture or trace of water was perceptible. So it might not be water vapors! When used to drive the reaction wheel, the transition from a state of rest to the running speed was practically instantaneous, and the noise and tremor caused by its motion was quite great. In some rebuttal to claims that it was compressed air, (I think it was an editorial of Scientific American, in the issue of 26 Jun 1875; rebuttal in issue of 17 Jul 1875) his attorney asked the accusator to indicate how it could be so compressed (i.e. without noise or heat) in no appreciable time. Somewhere else, I also read that the gas was reported to be 4 times less dense (or lighter?) than hydrogen. There was also no heat perceptible anywhere, nor any noise or chock, except for a slight sound similar to running water Then the machine was taken apart and inspected. No residues were found. Only water and air was used by the device. There was no secret chambers or recesses where chemicals or compressed air could be contained, and no space not fully accessible to a stream of water passed through the device. There were also no pistons or moving parts other than valves. Keely's claim was that "there exists a power in air and water, which, by purely mechanical manipulation, will evolve a cold vapor." One witness was also convinced that it was not atmospheric air compressed by external connections. So what do you think it can be? An hydraulic "voltage multiplier"? Then how would it get compressed that quickly? The text does not say what sort of mechnical manipulation was done though. Nor by what. Maybe it was just an hydraulic compressor after all. I'll have to reread it to try to know for how long gas was produced. I doubt that it was continuous generation though. From: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 # 95380, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 25-May-93 17:21 The "Electronic Voice Phenomenon" sounds like a subject with some real possibilities as a new thread. I played around with that in the early 70's and, although I didn't have any great successes, I thought I could catch phrases of words in English and other languages. The people I was hanging around with at the time just poo-pooed the results and I lost steam. What's happened in the field since then? From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 95418, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 25-May-93 19:54 >>Electronic Voice Phenomenon: possibilities as a new thread<< There is/was (I'll have to check again because Dean may have thrown away good stuff) a file by the name of EVP.ZIP in this forum. There was some typo in the addresses and phone numbers but the background was good for an introduction. You can also read "The Ghost of 29 Megacycles" by John G. Fuller (the author of The Ghost of Flight 401) in preparation. Somewhere in there, he also relates some vortex motion of water in an aquarium with shapes/shades appearing inside the aquarium. >>played around in 70's and<< What sort of setup did you have? >>What's happened in the field since then?<< According to Meek, they have improved the Spiricom to infrared in order to improve the signal to noise ratio. Although we have discussed it at one time, we can bring the topic back again. From: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 # 96145, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 30-May-93 13:49 ->There is/was (I'll have to check again because Dean may have thrown away good stuff) a file by the name of EVP.ZIP in this forum. There was some typo in the addresses and phone numbers but the background was good for an introduction. You can also read "The Ghost of 29 Megacycles" by John G. Fuller (the author of The Ghost of Flight 401) in preparation. Somewhere in there, he also relates some vortex motion of water in an aquarium with shapes/shades appearing inside the aquarium. I will look for EVP.ZIP and the books mentioned. -> What sort of setup did you have? It has been so long I can't remember all the different setups that I used but as I recall I tuned in between radio stations, used different arrangements of diodes, handwound coils, microphones in the middle of a quite room, and some others I can't remember. None of these setups were very elaborate. In fact, all the materials that I used was just from the junk box of the guy I worked for. I was just a 21 year old apprentice at the time. I used electronic arrangements that I thought nobody would ever normally put together using the rationale that others would stumble on the voice phenomena using "sensible" circuits so I would look for it in "nonsensical" circuits. I didn't figure that the EVP was purely an electronic phenomena anyway; I figured it was a hybrid of the etheric and electromagnetic and normal EM theory may not have been entirely relavent. Another idea I had, which I never pursued, was the idea that if a human being can hear the dead then maybe an electronic transducer, mimicking the human anatomy responsible for hearing dead voices, could be fashioned and used to record the dead or converse with them real-time. This, of course, assumed that the physical body plays some role in hearing the voices and that the phenomena isn't totally meta-physical. ------------------------ Another message around 29/30 May: He also experimented with anti-gravity. With a 8 lbs model aircraft, he used a silver and platinum wire to link it to a transmitter and the aircraft went up and down, resembling a "thistle floating in the air". The instrument for controlling the vertical movement of the model aircraft consisted of a row of bars, like piano keys, numbered 0-100, representing the enharmonic and the diatonic scales. At 50, the speed would be 500 MPH while at 100, normal gravity would exist and the model would fall back to earth. No drawings exists but he said "the twanging of a taut string, the agitation of a tuning fork, as associated with the resonance of the transmitter, is all that is necessary to induce the connective flow and produce the motive" (i.e. motion, I guess). Gravity would be a permanent condition in etheric space through which all visible forms are condensed. It would consist of a neutral attractive stream flowing towards the center of the earth, and seeking affinity with a power corresponding to the character of the molecular mass. There would thus be two streams of attraction: one celestial, and one terrestrial (similar to a principle enunciated by a certain Prof. Dudley where earth and Van Allen Belts have opposite polarity). If the celestial stream is favored, a mass of metal rises with a velocity proportional to the concentration brought on the negative thirds of its mass chords. Then he mentions something about the latent vibratory negative attraction locked up in iron ore being sufficient for all the force required in the world. The magnetic stream wave would be at 300,000 to 780,000 per second. (Is magnetic = terrestrial?). Gravity would be attractive sympathetic stream flowing towards the centre of the earth. The gravitational flow belongs to the polar propulsive third of the triune. Magnetism on the other hand is polar attractive. Are you as confused as me by now! ------------------------------ Another message around 30 May: Looking back at the documentation on Keely, he used the term expulsion when he produces these gases. It is still not clear whether it was a continuous process or not although the name implies that it is a "batch" process. There has been a table produced by Keely for his terminology regarding frequency ranges: Molecular 100 MHz Inter Molecular 300 MHz Atomic 900 MHz Inter Atomic 2700 MHz Etheric 8100 MHz Inter Etheric 24300 MHz The last one represented the limit of conception at the time. He assumed the inter etheric to be a luminiferous ether or plasma. Today, we know of frequencies up to 1E18. As I mentioned before, his tuning forks were between 620-12,000 Hz. He thought that the disruptive force was in the 3rd octave on a frequency of 22,000 for molecules. Another statement was that "The sounds from vibratory forks set so as to produce etheric chords, permeate most substances that come within range of their atomic bombardments". So this possibly points out to a combination of harmonics sought to generate these extremely high frequencies from so low frequencies tunig forks. The text also points out that vibrating quartz crystals are used to get frequencies as high as 1000 MHz for commercial ultrasonics. (I did not know that it would still be acoustic waves at those frequencies). Keely said that to bring into action the latent force within any molecular mass, he has to first find out what the harmonic chord of its mass represents with one of his devices. Only its use is described but it sounds quite complex. (If someone can make more sense out of it, it might get interesting). His example assumes that the mass when chorded represents a B flat. The negative radiating focalizing bar on the disk is liberated from its dampening rod and associated with the magnetic defocalizing one. There are 7 ranges of bars in all. The 6 assemblings being in this order: I II III IV V VI VII Dominant Electro Diatonic Har. Neg. 7th 3rd Mag 6th Enhar. Then, you need to liberate (according to symbolic meaning) the 2nd harmonic bar on 6ths, or neutralizing one, and the 3rd, enharmonic ninth, which is the one counting from negative 7th. Then by using a transmissive nodal wire, attach one end to the magnetic dispersing ring, over the negative 7ths cluster, and the other end to the high polar negative attractor. Then one end of a transmitting wire, of very fine proportions of gold, silver and platinum, is connected to the resonating sphere and the other to the mass being experimented upon. He then gives the syren a rotary impulse of a velocity to indicate the concordance of the mass attached. If the settings are ok, the neutral center indicator will rotate with high velocity and a single tap on the chladna is all that is necessary to induce pure evolution. (when talking about molecular disintegration) (chladna is a tonometer or a frequency resonating strip of metal to identify a given note.) Subj: Keely- New Science Topic Section: New Age Sciences From: Mary Carleton 72607,17 # 96514, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 31-May-93 20:16 .... Off of another wall, have you come across Colin Wilson's speculations on how the alchemists converted base metals to gold? It could be interpreted that they used resonances (resonation?) to effect the change. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 96543, * No Replies * To: Mary Carleton 72607,17 Date: 31-May-93 22:28 >>have you come across Colin Wilson's speculations on how the alchemists converted base metals to gold? << Actually, I have never heard of Wilson. You know more than me on that topic (See!) but I think that it could be easily correlated with what Keely's theory of matter was (especially disintegration). I am not sure that it corresponds to alchemy although it is transmutation. Regarding transmutation, there is a fellow by the name of Hutchison, based in Vancouver, B.C., Canada, who had produced some weird effects on metals with scalar fields from interference of Tesla Coils. He did a cross section of some aluminum cylinder and there were crystals of copper embedded in the sample under test. This implies that aluminum was somewhat changed into copper. Bearden had also commented on it and he indicated that it would be entirely possible that scalar waves could be used to engineer the structure of atoms, i.e. rearrange the number of protons and neutrons. ------------------------- Another message around 1 Jun 93: In an unknown article published around 1954, it was suggested that Keely could make his machines operate while close to them but not at a distance, and would have spent 25 years try to find why. (Hmmm...?, sound suspect!) There was also a Professor Daniel G. Brinton who was involved in Keely's stuff. He also wrote Maya Chronicles (1882) and Myth of the New World (1876). Here's the opening paragraph on his philosophy: "The fundamental conception of the Universe is force manifesting itself in rhytmical relations. This definition is exhaustive including both thought and extension, matter and mind. The law for the one is the law for the other. The distinction between them is simply relative, i.e. quantitative, not qualitative. The rhytmic relations in which the force acts are everywhere, under all conditions, and at all times, the same. They are found experiminentally to be universally expressible by the mathematical relations of thirds. These three-fold relations may be expressed with regard to their results as (also referred as 3 laws): Assimilative, Individualizing, Dominant or Resultant". Then, here's a summary of what he had to say about Keely's theory: All manifestation of force may be treated as modes of vibrations. The essential differences give rise to 3 modes of vibration: - The Radiating (also called Dispersing, Propulsive, Positive, Enharmonic) - The Focalizing (also called Negative, Negative Attractive, Polarizing, Harmonic) - The Dominant (also called Etheric or Celestial) None of these modes can exist independently. Each is called a Current and all 3 must be present in every stream or flow of force, and usually in varying thirds (sort of level of quantization?). This provides for 6 possible forms of sympathetic coincidence, or forms of individualized being. The relations of the currents in every flow are expressible in thirds and they are in the order named as 33 1/3, 66 2/3 and 100. The 6 forms are called orders of atomic subdivision or orders of vibratory motion and we have already named them: Molecular, Inter Molecular, Atomic, Inter Atomic, Etheric and Inter Etheric. These are in order of frequency, their proportion for molecular orders having been proved to be: 1 : 3 : 9 : 27 : 81 : 243 (i.e. an arithmetical progression). For atomic orders, it is: 3 : 9 : 81 : 6561 : 43046721 : etc. (i.e. a geometrical progression). (That is maybe how he was achieving extremely high harmonics.) He then extrapolated that all orders of vibrations above the molecular soon passes into mathematical infinity. But anything matter that we can observe is in 1 of 3 forms of aggregation: Molecular, Atomic, Etheric, each of which has respectively a controlling mode of vibration: Enharmonic, Harmonic, Dominant. Each of these modes is a positive and real constituent of every atom/molecule. The real secret would be in what he calls "evolution". Matter evolves from the 3 different modes of vibration through the actions of the second law (law of focalization, also called negative attraction or negative affinity). Where the vibrations under this mode meet and are maintained in a certain equilibrium, it forms a "neutral" centre (he calls it centre of sympathetic coincidence). He uses the terms neutral attraction, neutral affinity, negative attraction, polar negative attraction, to express the property of a mode to direct its components towards the centre. (These are the 6 forms of sympathetic coincidence that I mentioned above). From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 97076, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 02-Jun-93 23:15 So Keely's approach was that every form of material aggregation is a neutral center of attraction. The vibratory forces from all 3 orders are held in sympathetic coincidence but not cancelled or mutually destroyed. There is no diminution of force but only temporary cancellation of its radiative or propulsive feature. This is teh latent force that Keely means when he says that indefinite power can beobtained. In matter, each molecule is in perpetual oscillation, the range of the oscillation is said to be 1/3 of the molecule, and frequency of 20,000 Hz. By resonance impulses, Keely alters the ratio of the constituting forces. He does it by striking the same chord in 3 octaves representing the 3rd, 6th and 9th of the scale. The 6th reduces the range of molecular vibrations and brings the neutral centers closer to each others (increases solidification). The 9th extends the range of molecular vibrations and gives "greater tenuity" to the mass. It induces "trajectile velocity" from the neutral centres, or neutral radiation. The molecular dissociationdoes not happen until the range of molecular vibrations reaches 2/3 of its diameter by means of enharmonic or radiating current applied to the mass, after the molecules have been disturbed by the musical note above. The 3rd is the dominant and induces a rearrangement of the modes of vibrations when brought under control of a harmonic resonant impulse. It will transform the mass into either its initial forces, or into other matter. (i.e. transmutation). There was an article in the Times (New York Times?) around 1880's. relating a demo by Keely. People attending it suspect that compressed air was used. Toward the end, Keely forgot was not touching his musical instruments any more and the revolving globe was rotating just as well. So they figured that the musical instruments were there only for drawing their attention away. Keely was also relatively careful about not losing any air pressure: he turned it off as soon as possible. But his devices were at work for about 20 minutes. The specific gravity of the ether was also claimed to be about 4 times lighter than that of the hydrogen gas. Somewhere in the documentation that I have, Keely had given a demo of a desintegrator for mining applications. The witnesses had seen rock fall into whispering dust and within 20-30 minutes, about 15-20 feet of tunnel had been vaporized/desintegrated with it. --------------------- Another message around 3 Jun: >>Do you know what the "liberator" tuning fork frequency(ies) were?<< No. But they say that there was one "pocket size machine". Maybe I'll find it in some more info left to read. >>Any thoughts on what the air disintegrated into<< Not for now. If it has lower specific gravity than hydrogen, this gas does not exist. Yet if he was performing transmutation, that would mean that elements could be added to the bottom of the periodic table instead of just at the top of it. >>what did he use the tremendous liberated forces of libeartor for?<< Pressure used as hydraulics to lift weight and levers. Up to 10 tons per square inch is mentioned. The power was generated in less than half a minute. >>having a hard time visualizing the structures you are describing.<< There are no diagrams, only text. I just mentioned the biggest component to give you an idea of what was involved. The description is not detailed enough for reverse engineering though. Dimensions were overall. As far as gallon quantities are concerned, I think they refer to how much water they measured out of the device (when they tested for any hidden powder, etc.). -------------------------- Another message around 3 Jun: >>Were the Tibetians working in a huge cave<< No, it was done at in front of and below the mouth of a cave. >>Maybe this took place in a naturally enclosed area<< It was just an open meadow. >>would be much more difficult to get standing waves near the stones<< I don't really understand if you mean the stone being levitated. If you do, why would it be? Sound waves curve around objects and th eobject is rather small. Plus you have the return from the echoing wall. >>Of course, standing waves may have nothing to do with it.<< Au contraire! standing waves imply scalar waves or phase conjugation. They use something like that (called 4-wave mixing) to generate time-reverse light. Acoustic might just generate time reverse gravity. From: Mary Carleton 72607,17 # 97714, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 05-Jun-93 14:11 <> My local library search on Hutchinson produced zip (a standard result for a rural system). Did he do it with coils of different frequencies & how did he aim the fields / shield the rest of the lab from the experiment?? Last question. Where do you get your info? How do you find out about this stuff in the first place? From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 97737, * No Replies * To: Mary Carleton 72607,17 Date: 05-Jun-93 15:36 >>local library search on Hutchinson produced zip<< You won't find anything on him as he has not published anything. My sources for weird stuff comes from many places but one good place to start is the International Tesla Society, P.O. Box 5636, Colorado Springs, CO, 80931. They have a catalog of all sorts of weird books and videos. Their phone is 1-800-397-0137. >>coils of different frequencies & how did he aim the fields / shield the rest of the lab from the experiment??<< He was not methodic at it but yes, he was changing frequencies in the coils. No intentional aiming of the fields and no shielding was used inside his warehouse. >>How do you find out about this stuff in the first place?<< I initially started with an interest in what could make UFO fly. Then one day, someone gave me some old magazines on that sort of stuff and my interest grew up in weird science ever since. I had no clue that such work/hobbies was going on before. From: JOHN BAJAK 70272,337 # 97806, 1 Reply To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 05-Jun-93 20:08 Your "dead"-pickup sounds a lot like an computer algorithm I channelled in 1985 in Florida. I've adapted in Basic over seven different computers, From a Tandy CoCo to a Vax 11/70. It works great enough to impress improbabilities (over two-thirds of the time picking 2 out of 6 numbers, Weekly Florida State lottery in a year and a half (1988-90))... Nobody wants it, it's an orphan... What should I do with it? From: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 # 98569, * No Replies * To: JOHN BAJAK 70272,337 Date: 08-Jun-93 16:38 I'm not exactly sure what your channelled algorithm does... it guesses numbers? Maybe you could give me a little more information. Also, how does it tie into the Raudive phenomena (electronic reception of the deceased)? From: JOHN BAJAK 70272,337 # 98696, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 08-Jun-93 22:43 The algorithm answers yes and/or no ... It's like a Godel sentence that computers understand but humans don't (generally). I would like some background knowledge on this Raudive phenomena ... does it work on the unborn? From: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 # 99167, * No Replies * To: JOHN BAJAK 70272,337 Date: 10-Jun-93 16:06 The Raudive Phenomena is a name given the generic field of the electronic recording of the dead. Basically, one can turn on a tape recorder with a microphone attached at max gain and just record the sounds of silence. When played back, the voices of people not corporally embodied in the room can sometimes be heard indistinctly in the background noise. Sometimes in English and other times in other languages. Exactly where these voices come from is not determined but, I guess, there is some evidence that they are from the dead. It has been a very long time since I dabbled in any of this stuff so I can't say for sure much more than that. I was hoping, with my original message, that someone else in the section was more up-to-date with the phenomena and could catch me up on the research/experiments done to date. As far as whether the voices of nonborns can be heard, I don't know. I would presume if a soul was "hanging around" waiting to incarnate it might be persuaded to "talk into the microphone". I think, in the back of my mind, I was thinking that the voice phenomena was a transdimensional one, and that perhaps a "Beardenesque scalar dimensional phase changer" (an improptu, as-yet-imaginary device that can make the "barrier" between our two dimensions more permeable to audio) might cause the voices to "come in" more clearly. In other words, I was trying to generate an new thread that would culminate with some hardware experimentation. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 100473, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 15-Jun-93 00:26 I have a document which refers to an article that appeared in the Wall Street Journal of 15 Oct 1991. Essentially, it talks about flashes of blue light being emitted by water when sound waves are transmitted through it. It creates microscopic bubbles which generate the light when they collapse (also called sonoluminescence). The University of Mississippi has measured them and so did University of California at Los Angeles (Seth J. Putterman and his grad student Bradley P. Barber). The experiment is said to have been reported in Nature but no specific reference is given. Dr. Putterman points out that a photon of blue light given off by a single atom carries 3.5 electron-volt of energy, and this is a trillion times more energy than received from the sound wave. Thus it would point to a source of free energy. But it also rings a bell, the sympathetic vibrations of Keely which he used to decompose water. Now, back to Keely. He claimed that water could be dissociated at 42,800 CPS (cycles per second). But water could also be dissociated to a wide range of products depending on what set of frequencies were used. Some people have looked into the operational principles of one of the last remaining Keely motors and came up to the conclusion that maybe cavitation was the underlying process behind his source of power. Cavitation is a phenomenon where bubbles form in the water when subjected to pressure displacement. It is often seen at the tips of an underwater propeller and can seriously damage any metal subjected to it for long period of time. So maybe, when the bubles are there, the water has a larger volume, and a strong vacuum is formed when they collapsed. With an appropriate system of valves, that power could be tapped but you would still need quite a lot of energy to generate the cavitation by displacement of the water. Keely also mentioned specific frequencies of 620, 630, and 12,000 CPS (Hertz) as capable of releasing finer forces held in bondage in the water molecule. The 620 ergy dissipated into heat than if you just use what is necessary to break the molecule bonds.) From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 100742, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 15-Jun-93 22:57 According to Keely, the atom would be surrounded with a dynasphere or etheric capsule which prevents the atoms from touching each others. (dynasphere would itself be in rapid motion). The structure of the air molecule would be an atomic triplet which can be broken up by vibratory action. This triplet exists in a triangular position within the molecule, at its center, unless acted upon by electricity, when the molecules become oblate and the three atoms are ranged in a line within, unless broken up by vibration. Nature never produces vacuum, consequently the space within the molecule that is not occupied by the atomic triplet must be filled with something. This is where the all pervading ether holds its origin. Now about those harmonics. Keely estimates that, after the introductory impulse is given on the harmonic thirds, molecular vibration is increased from 20 KHz to 100 MHz. On the enharmonic sixths, the vibration of the intermolecule is increased to 300 MHz. On the diatonic ninths, atomic vibrations reaches 900 MHz, on the etheric sixths, 8.1 GHz, and on the inter-etheric ninths, 24.3 GHz, all of which can be demonstrated by "sound colors". He believes that the form of energy known as magnetism, not electricity, is the curative agent of the future. Around 1884, there is a certain Prof. Keil, of Jena, who is said to have demonstrated the susceptibility of the nervous system to the influence of the natural magnet and its efficacy in the cure of certain infirmities. (I guess they did not know of the placebo effect at that time. Modern medicine would call this a quackery!). When Keely extracts energy from the cosmos, he does it by changing the vibrations of the cosmic ether, all by sympathetic vibrations. By the way, when you talk about a B flat or other musical notes, you should always keep in mind that the reference musical notes have changed through time. So a C of the 1600s would not sound like today's C. It would be at a lower frequency. I don't know if the musical scale had been shifted up at Keely's era. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 100743, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 15-Jun-93 22:57 I also found the paper about disintegration. During the 1880's, Keely was doing experiments with an instrument to overcome gravity. He used a block of quartz a weight to be levitated but observed by accident that the vibrations partially disintegrated the block of quartz. So he perfected it to tune it to the quartz disintegration frequency and he could reduce quartz into powder instantly. The device was the size of a Brownie camera with a protruding rod which in turn supported a vibrating plate that he touched the quartz with. The quartz was disintegrated, or actually dissolved into the ether, or the hypothetical substratum of modern scientists. He was challenged to use it for mining and within 18 minutes, he dug a tunnel having dimensions of 4.5 feet diameter and 18 feet long through quartz. The gold vein in it was not affected and could be picked up on the ground. Those who had challenged him had $$$ signs in their eyes and they figured that Keely would sooner or later make his device available to the world. So they speculated and bought any gold mine which had a low yield in the hope that they could make a killing later. When major players start buying such properties, the rest of teh investors start to believe that there is something coming and it causes a self-feeding frenzy on the market by all the followers. But as nothing came up, the value fell back down and the investors were ruined. Yet these investors were also investors in the Keely Motor company and they sued Keely. The court is said to have ordered Keely to reveal all his secrets to the company investors. Keely got so enraged that he destroyed the quartz disintegrator along with many others of his unique inventions, and nobody got anything. Keely had also another gizmo. He put a small wire around an iron cylinder weighting several hundred pounds and could lift it with one finger when a special force was run through the small wire. He had also applied his force to optics where by means of 3 wires placed across the lens of a microscope, he could reach magnification power equal to that of the great telescope in the Lick observatory, the largest in the world at that time. All in all, Keely must have spent over 20 years experimenting with sympathetic vibrations, yet it appears that nothing really got into production or revealed to the world. Was he too much of a perfectionist? ------------------------- Another message around 15 Jun 93: As a reminder, the 7 states of matter are: 1. Compound inter-aetheric, 2. Inter-aetheric, 3. Aetheric, 4. Inter-Atomic, 5. Atomic, 6. Inter-Molecular, 7. Molecular. So in the above example, the 620 hertz disrupts the molecular, the 630, disrupts the inter-molecular, and the 12,000 disrupts the atomic state (or levels) of matter. But you need to disrupt the molecular before to be able to disrupt the inter-molecular, and you need to disrupt that one before to be able to disrupt the atomic state. Etc. Also, the structure of forces to be disrupted are: 1. Aether, 2. Magnetism, 3. Electricity, 4. Cosmic Rays, 5. Light, 6. Heat, 7. Physical vibration, 8. Matter. The aether vibrations can be slowed down (or reduced in frequency) through the use of interference to lower states which eventually manifest themselves as different form of energy and matter. The process can also be reversed through the use of harmonic interferences to multiply vibrations to bring them up to the next level. Dr. Puharich had found that he could dissociate water with currents having a frequency of 600 Hz. This happens to be 20 times less than the 12,000 CPS of Keely but it is a harmonic nonetheless. Puharich compounds were found to be hydrogen and oxygen but maybe Keely's result was some other compound. Puharich results are said to have been published around 1988-1990. He was using a barrel shaped cavity containing water but I doubt that this had an effect if he was not using acoustic waves. Electrolysis by DC current was only 54% efficient but was found to be 90% efficient at 600 Hz. (Note that this efficiency factor usually depends quite a lot on the voltage used. I.e. if you use high voltage, you will lose more energy dissipated into heat than if you just use what is necessary to break the molecule bonds.) From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 101041,* No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 16-Jun-93 22:55 There is also the history of musical globe which he exhibited at the World's Fair in the late 1880's. The globe was a sperical device which had one side painted white and the other painted black. When tuned, it became activated by simply playing harmonica and started to spin slowly under its own power (derived from an arrangement of vibrating omponents within the sphere). A certain John Jacob Astor (known to be wealthy) was fascinated by it and got the priviledge of a more detailed demo at Keely's lab. I don't understand the description too well but here are the main characteristics. There was a large metal sphere supported in a circular ring. An outer ring surrounded the inner and supported many other but smaller spheres. When Keely activated a siren, the large sphere started to spin on its axis in the inside ring. A few minutes later, the smaller spheres also began to spin on their axis at rates proportional to their diameter, and also around the large sphere. The small ones spun faster than the larger ones (this must be about the rotation around the large sphere), and it appeared to be related to the large sphere spinning on its axis in the center ring. After a few more minutes, all the spheres started to rise slowly in the air while still orbiting. At a certain spot, the large sphere stopped rising but the smaller spheres started to fan out. But one curious aspect is that they reached a specific orbit which seemed to be directly analogous to our solar system. (Remember the bode law where the planets are in orbit according to some mathematical relations?) The story says that Astor grabbed hold of one of the smaller globes and it held him off the floor while keeping orbiting unaffected whatsoever. (Astor was thus orbiting around the sphere in the room!) Keely is reported to have said that he had indeed modelled the solar system and that each sphere was harmonically related in size and frequency to the planets of our solar system. When he tried to have one of the small spheres go out of control (with an enharmonious chord). When the chord was played, the sphere slowly moved in a straight line and created a hole through the wall and disappeared from the site. (This sounds like absolute positioning as depicted in the movie Explorers). When Keely readjusted the device to become harmonic again, the sphere retraced its path and came back into proper orbit. Although Keely admitted that it was very unlikely, this represented what would happen if the Earth losed its tether to the sun --> it would just be liberated from our solar system! Conclusion: the solar system must be based on some harmonic relations. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 102298, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 21-Jun-93 21:31 "Neutral Center" was another term used by Keely. By that he meant that if you took the earth (of diameter 20,000 miles), the material inside it (except for a 5,000 miles shell) would displace inward to form a center mass of the size of a billiard ball, leaving a void between the shell and that center mass. (I think he meant that the thickness of the shell would always be equal to half the Radius). It would take as much a force to move the center mass than to move the shell. (volume of sphere is 4/3 (pi r^3), substracting the volume of a sphere having R=r/2 would leave you with a shell which takes 7/8th of the total volume of the sphere). Keely says that the small central mass would carry the load of the shell for ever, and keep it absolutely equi-distant: that no amount of power whatsoever could bring the central mass and the shell to touch each other again. He also adds that an immense load thus exists upon this point of centre where weight ceases. This is his "neutral centre". (Maybe the real structure of the atom nucleus is the equivalent of a neutral centre). Furthermore, Keely says that the neutral centre can best be vizualized as a drain through which the ether continually flows. The size of the Neutral centre drain determines the volume of ether flow through a structure. And when you can control the drain of ether flow, you can control the density and weight of a mass aggregation. The type of mass aggregation also determines the nature of interferences to the ether flow into the neutral centre. The properties of the mass and its structure will be also determined by the mass nature. By altering the frequencies and phase relationships of a mass, we can change the weight, density and nature of the mass by reducing or increasing the Neutral Centre opening to the flow of ether. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 102299, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 21-Jun-93 21:31 A fundamental frequency is generated and sustained by two other frequencies which can each in turn be generated and sustained by two other frequencies. This is what we would call multi-harmonics in electrical engineering. So when Keely talked about tuning to the fundamental, that means that many frequencies may have been involved. Tuning to the fundamental gives a certain degree of "sympathy" to a mass aggregation. Tuning to the finer frequencies (successively) in addition to the fundamental creates more sympathetic linking for control at a deeper level of mass aggregation. As a reminder, the hierarchy is: 1. mass aggregation 2. molecules 3. inter-molecules 4. atoms 5. inter-atoms 6. aether 7. inter-aether 8. compound inter-aether. Each level of mass aggregation has a Neutral centre which is the result of successive levels of Neutral Centres. E.g. many compound inter-aetheric elements combine together, the combined Neutral Centres of each element form collectively a new single neutral centre which becomes the inter-aetheric Neutral Centre. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 102896, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 24-Jun-93 22:17 Keely also tried to develop an engine based on the Neutral center principle (to run on aetheric force) but he never found a medium for inducing a neutral centre. However, he built a Vibratory engine by trying to form a circuit that has a neutral center excited by his vibratory ether (whatever that means). It was claimed to be independent of mass (by reason of his high frequency. (the mass was a globe: I think that it was another name for his Globe engine or generator). One of his statement was also that the foundations of the universe rest on a vacuum point much smaller than a molecule, an inter-etheric point. And more strangely, to look down into the depths of an etheric center is the same as searching into heaven's ether to find the end, but with one difference: one is the positive field and the other is negative. (This is somewhat as reported by mystics: that the big looks like the small). In comparing the density of the atmosphere with his ether flow, he says that air is to aether as platinum is to hydrogen gas. The luminiferous ether corresponds to his inter-aetheric level of mass aggregation and would correspond (according to his speculation) to the vibratory envelope of all atoms. Another strange but noteworthy statement is that sound would be a substance (inter-atomic particles) emanating from a body (induced by percussion, as in a bell) at 1120 feet per second, and 20,000 feet per second in vacuo. (According to modern science, sound does not travel in vacuo). This sound would permeate all substances within range of the tuning forks. If a vacuum chamber were sealed and strong enough, a bell being constantly rung inside would build up pressures of many thousands of pound per square inch. Sound would be defined as disturbance of an atomic equilibrium, rupturing atomic corpuscules, and the liberated substance had to be a certain order of etheric flow. All bodies are formed from this thin ether and they only return to that gaseous condition when brought out of equilibrium. From: Dean Miller 75110,3417 # 102946, * No Replies * To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 25-Jun-93 04:32 Where did you get this information about Keely & spheres? Subj: Keely and his inventions Section: New Age Sciences [9] From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 103021, * No Replies * To: Dean Miller 75110,3417 Date: 25-Jun-93 14:14 >>information about Keely & spheres?<< The most detailed one is from an information package from Rex Research. But I also got some info from Keelynet (although their files tend to be wordy and sometimes overly fuzzy). Then I streamlined that information to make a sort of introduction to the topic for discussion. (This is quite a lot of work to TRY to understand and simplify the text.) From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 103097, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 25-Jun-93 21:47 Another thing that Keely had to do with his instruments was a "differentiation and graduation". Graduation is described as similar to "tempering" of a mass to remove the knots (nodal interferences) in the structure to produce a better energy conduction, or better sympathetic transmission as he calls it. This gets REALLY complicated. I could not find a definition for differentiation but it is done during the manufacturing and processing of the metal (e.g. drawing a length of wire, casting metal, etc). He was seeking some sort of molecular uniformity (he called it uniform molecular link) and found that gold and platina were the best metals to use, although they still require some differentiation. When wires of these metals were subjected to a certain condition of the first order of intensified molecular vibration for a transferring medium between centers of neutrality (i.e. connect two neutral centers together), he found these metals unsuitable for the transfer of concordant unition because of nodal interferences. So he had to remove these nodal interferences by inducing, between the nodal waves, a condition where they become slaved to the inter-sympathetic vibratory molecular link of the structure of the wire. For this purpose, he submitted the wire to a system of graduation to find what the combined chords of nodal interferences represent when focalized to one general neutral center. Then the differentiation between these nodal waves and the inter-molecular link must be equalized by what he calls vibratory induction, to induce pure concordance between one and the other. Each parts even if built physically identical will have its own resonating qualities (wide sympathetic variation). So I guess you can understand how his research work dragged on for years! One more clue about differentiation appears when he talks about tuning forks. They can be made to be concordant between each others and the best will only permit 1/40th "attractive and propulsive receptiveness". (I.e. there is only 1/40th of the energy of one that can be transmitted to the other). "By differentiating them to concordant thirds, they induce a condition of molecular bombardment between themselves, by alternate changes of long and short waves of sympathy." Technically, this simply appears to mean that by using two tuning forks, one of which is the third lower or higher harmonics, they will emit a sound wave where the high frequency will periodically be reinforced by the low frequency wave. By the way, about sound in vacuo, he says that it is inaudible because the molecular volume of the emitted corpuscules is reduced. Even gaseous molecules resonate and are sensitive to all sounds (both accordant and discordant). ------------------- Another message around 1 Jul: Keely also tried to develop an engine based on the Neutral center principle (to run on aetheric force) but he never found a medium for inducing a neutral centre. However, he built a Vibratory engine by trying to form a circuit that has a neutral center excited by his vibratory ether (whatever that means). It was claimed to be independent of mass (by reason of his high frequency. (the mass was a globe: I think that it was another name for his Globe engine or generator). One of his statement was also that the foundations of the universe rest on a vacuum point much smaller than a molecule, an inter-etheric point. And more strangely, to look down into the depths of an etheric center is the same as searching into heaven's ether to find the end, but with one difference: one is the positive field and the other is negative. (This is somewhat as reported by mystics: that the big looks like the small). In comparing the density of the atmosphere with his ether flow, he says that air is to aether as platinum is to hydrogen gas. The luminiferous ether corresponds to his inter-aetheric level of mass aggregation and would correspond (according to his speculation) to the vibratory envelope of all atoms. Another strange but noteworthy statement is that sound would be a substance (inter-atomic particles) emanating from a body (induced by percussion, as in a bell) at 1120 feet per second, and 20,000 feet per second in vacuo. (According to modern science, sound does not travel in vacuo). This sound would permeate all substances within range of the tuning forks. If a vacuum chamber were sealed and strong enough, a bell being constantly rung inside would build up pressures of many thousands of pound per square inch. Sound would be defined as disturbance of an atomic equilibrium, rupturing atomic corpuscules, and the liberated substance had to be a certain order of etheric flow. All bodies are formed from this thin ether and they only return to that gaseous condition when brought out of equilibrium. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 104587, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 01-Jul-93 22:21 I may repeat myself because of the long time since the beginning of the topic but here it is anyway. Keely grouped his vibrations in 3 modes: 1. Radiative: also called Dispersing, Propulsive, Positive, Enharmonic. Controls the molecular level of mass aggregation. 2. Focalizing: also called Negative, Negative attractive, Polarizing and Harmonic. Controls the Atomic level of mass aggregation. 3. Dominant: also called Etheric or Celestial. Controls the Etheric level of mass aggregation. Each of these modes is a current that exists in every flow of force and expressed in thirds. The relation of the 3 are respectively 33 1/3, 66 2/3 and 100. Neutral attraction, neutral affinity, negative attraction, and polar negative attraction all describe the property of a mode of vibration to direct its component towards the neutral center. Every form of material aggregation is a neutral center of attraction where are three modes are held in sympathetic coincidence. This suspends the radiating or propulsive expresion of matter, what Keely considered as a latent force. Every mass being made of vibrations by proportions of third, it follows that every mass is also in relation to every other mass. Keely modifies the relations of the current flow by striking the same chord in 3 octave: the 3rd, the 6th and the 9th of the scale. The 3rd represents the dominant which, under control of a harmonic resonant impulse, rearranges the modes and transform the matter. Keely devoted most of his latest research. The 6th reduces the range of molecular vibrations and bring the neutral centers closer to each others, thus stabilizing the matter. The 9th extends the range of molecular vibrations and shrinks the mass. It induces "trajectile velocity" and forms neutral centers. All vibrations exert an effect over a limited distance called sympathetic outreach of the current flows. Equilibrium is also never perfect so the chord of mass of matter is constantly changing. When subject to a vibration, the range of molecular vibrations varies in different substance. In silver, gold and platina, the proportions are 3:6:9. This is also the relation between the modes of vibrations thus a wire made of these metals is the best to transmit "concordant impulses". I don't understand how, but nodes mades of these placed upon a wire, transmitting resonant vibrations, indicate the rate of oscillations of the atomic constituents. Rotation can also be imparted from the harmonic interaction of the dominant (3rd) and enharmonic (9th) elements of flow: the 1st and 3rd, the 3rd and 9th , etc. where the proprtions are 33 1/3 : 100. To accomplish rotation by molecular vibratory action, you solve it by control of either the negative attractive or the enharmonic current of the triple flow. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 105913, * No Replies * To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 06-Jul-93 21:13 In the case of water desintegration, Keely described the effects of each harmonics as follows: 3rd: Molecular dissociation, i.e. separating water into hydrogen and oxygen. 6th: separating the hydrogen and oxygen into a new element by a second order of dissociation. Keely calls that Low Atomic Ether. Maybe that is another name for atomic Oxygen (and Hydrogen), the type of free radicals that you see in space and that affects or corrode satellites paint. 9th: the low atomic ether is separated into a new element which he calls the high or second atomic harmonic. Another book covered Keely's theories under a format of 40 laws: "Dashed Against the Rock" published in 1894. It was a metaphysical novel, the jist of the story is a young establishment scientist who is led through stages to the acceptance of the vibratory laws as governing mental science. The book "A Breakthrough to New Free Energy Sources" by Dan A. Davidson is said to have a good condensed story of Keely's work. (I don't have a copy though) Some additional bits of info which may be useful in reverse engineering Keely's theories: ------------- Atomic pitch can be determined from its associate spectrum with all other atoms, as in known spectra. Pitches are supposed to be more important than atomic weight to work with. Electricity and magnetism produce internal vibrations in the atom, followed by proportional changes in volume (and pitch). Amplitude of oscillations increase proportionally with temperature and the atoms absorbs higher harmonics, expands volume and decrease in pitch. The approach of a temperature ideal for harmonic combination is observed by comparing superposed spectra: chemical combination commences when the fundamental lines of each spectrum have harmonic ratios (by linear measurements). Atoms whose atomic pitches are in harmonic ratiso unite to form molecules. By raising the pitch (by temperature or otherwise), the atoms separate. A table of refractive indices of substances indicates their molecular pitch. Pressure and tension are also supposed to have an effect but it is not clear as to what pressure and tension it applies to. ------------------ An atomole is an elementary unit of matter. They all are uniform in size and weight. Exists in all phases of matter. Aether is the atomolic liquid 986,000 times the density of steel. Each atom is composed of 3 atomoles. In a negative atom, there are 3 positive (as activity) atomoles, in a positive atom, there are 3 atomoles, 2 of which are negatives, and the other positive. Keely also thought that the human brain could also control the triple flow of forces to make them all equal, thereby stopping dissociation or aging, and preventing the body to be affected by other disturbances. (Maybe that is what happens with the people who walk on burning coals.) Note that the triple currents have very specific phase relationships. Optimally, they all have the same amplitude but are harmonics of each others. In reality, the amplitudes vary a bit due to temperature changes and other influences. ---------------------------------------- Well, I have finally completed my expose. Will upload whole thing into a single file for discussion. (Hope I did not lose anything!) From: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 # 106386, 1 Reply To: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 Date: 08-Jul-93 00:22 I have been going over the different pieces of the Keely information which you have so diligently collected and posted and now are going to upload in a file(s). I commend you on your efforts. I, however, am having something of a problem with Keely's stuff. The theories espoused by Keely are so alien to anything I am familiar with that it is hard to know where to start when analysing his material. Clearly, some of what he says is from experimental evidence but a lot must be his conjecture based on what he saw, irrespective of any established (in his day) physical laws. I guess the trick is to ferret out the experimental data from the rest and try to repeat his experiments. I am really at a loss to know what to do with positive and negative atomoles and the rest. If one was to try to duplicate a Keely experiment or effect where would you suggest that they start? Maybe by subjecting water to 600+/- Hz acoustic/electronic vibration in a container with a relatively simple geometry? I say simple geometry so that the resonance properties of the container as it may or may not affect the outcome of the experiment can be analysed/computed. From: Alain Beaulieu/SL9 70403,3645 # 106610, 1 Reply To: Jonathan Eagle 72257,2270 Date: 08-Jul-93 22:17 I have started to edit the captured thread. I just hope that DOSCIM did not skip any messages in its retrieval. You might want to check the file that I will upload to see if all my exposes are in there. I will probably upload it late tomorrow and it should be available in the library by Sunday (if things go well). That will also make many people current enough to discuss the topic with us. >>Keely theories are so alien to anything I am familiar with<< You bet! That's why I selected that topic in case someone could help further. >>the trick is to ferret out the experimental data from the rest and try to repeat his experiments<< Yes. But as you could see, this sort of description is lacking in the texts. And I was also disappointed that he did not seem to have had patents. >>simple experiment<< Yes. I guess trying the 600 HZ (or around that) on water would be one of the simplest one. I don't see how the shape of a container could affect the electrical vibrations though (as much as the acoustical ones would) [Afterthought: you could also try to reproduce the Tibetan levitation although you would need quite many sound generators]