Newsgroups: alt.sci.physics.new-theories
From: dmahalko@nyx.cs.du.edu (Dale Mahalko)
Subject: Not quite FREE ENERGY, but.. (ideas & theories)
Date: Sun Oct 10 15:26:56 1993

  I have some thoughts on these "free energy" theories that we've 
seen thrown around both here and in various ParaNet discussion
groups.. although what I have here is may seem very similar to
what these others have said, I am not professing to believe that
I can get unlimited power from what I am thinking. It may be
possible, but the main thing I can forsee from these ideas is
an undetermined increase in the power output of such a device

  I have little experience in building this stuff or electron theory,
so I'd like to put out these ideas for people to chew on and hopefully
help me to understand. Primaily my questions focus on free electrons
and how they are affected by various forces.

  When an electron is at rest, I have been told it can be thought to
have no mass and therefore is not affected by inertia. But when they
do move they do have mass and can then be affected by intertia, even
if by a little bit. The faster they move, the more apparant mass they
have and the more intertia affects them.
 
  Now with that down (please correct it if wrong), I'd like to talk 
about alternating current generators. The standard alternating current
generator has two parts, a rotor made up of coils of wire around a
shaft with power pick-up rings on one end, and a stator which are coils
of wire permanently fixed around the inner part of the casing. The
generator is set up so that the rotor coils feed the stator coils as
well as producing electric current.
  When the AC generator starts up from a dead stop, there is zero
current in all parts of the coils. This means that no magnetic fields
exist to produce power. What the generator does is it uses the minute
magnetic fields around it to produce the first bits of power.. some
books tell me this comes from the latent magnetic fields that are a
part of the metal of the generator's stator and rotor.
  With this first inkling of power flowing in the stator, this energy
flows out into the stator energizing its coils a tiny bit which
produce a minute magnetic field. This field in turn causes more
energy to be produced in the rotor, which creates more in the stator
and so on. Eventually the regeneration effects between the rotor and
stator level off at some point. What causes the leveling off is not
known to me. Here is what the power output is like over time:

P|                       *************
o|                   ****
w|                 **    
e|                *   
r|              **  
 |           ***
 |***********
 +------------------------------------
  Time->  ^Generator starts up here   

  Now lets put the effects of inertia into the picture. In a standard
AC generator, the rotor coils have their input and output leads
connected to slip rings that are an equal distance from the shaft's
center. If an electron could be affected by centripital force, the
electrons would migrate to the outer edges of the coils. However,
due to the fact that both ends of the coils come out at the same level
around the shaft, this buildup would balance itself out and would
hardly affect the power output.
  what I am trying to get across may be difficult to visualize. 
Imagine taking a six foot length of garden hose, filling it with
water, holding both ends of the hose in your hand and swinging it in
a circle above your head. The spinning makes the water try to move to
the outside edge of the circle, but because both ends of the hose are
an equal distance from the center, the forces in both halves of the
hose cancel each other out. You could connect the ends of the hose to
a water source and move water through the hose swinging it over your
head without noticing any difference than if the hose was not moving
because the forces in both halves cancel each each and would not
affect the flow of water moving through the hose.
  If instead you hold one end and let the other end spin around at
the outer endge of the circle, the water will migrate to the outer
edge of the circle and out the end of the hose. If you moved water
through the hose from the center, the current of water from the
water source would be amplified by the effects of the water moving
to the outer edge and out the end.

Applied to motors, it is easy for me to see why something like this
would not be noticed or thought about. If inertia can affect
electrons in a moving wire, the structure of the rotor cancels out
these effects or makes them fall into the margin of error. The
ends of the coils are near the center at an equal distance from
the center of the shaft. That balances out any forces built up by
the spinning of the rotor. Additionally, the wires in the coils
run equal distances to and from the center of the shaft, canceling
out the effects too. Here are ASCII representations of this:

 Single spinning loop of wire: (spins around vertical axis)

        forces               Even on uneven loop, forces balance
        balance
        <- | ->                   <-   |      --->>>
     ______|______               ______|______________________
    /      |      \             /      |                      \
    \____  |  ____/             \____  |  ____________________/
     <-    |   ->                 <-   |      --->>>
           |                           |

  What if instead of using loops of wire and equidistant slip rings,
we use a disc of wire with a slip ring both at the center and the
outer edge of the disc? This would allow the inertia effects (if
any) to become evident. I have various ideas to build uch a device,
but don't have enough background to do this project. Because I would
be using a disc rotor the stator magnets would have to be
restructured to allow for the normal regenerative effects in the
coils. Here are my essential plans for such a device to test these
ideas:

1. The rotor may be of various constructions. I would like to test
   a solid disc of metal, a slotted disc of metal, a plastic disc
   with insulated wires bonded to both sides running from the center
   to the outer edge, and a multilayer etched curcuit board with
   copper traces etched on it in a starburst pattern from the
   center. This disc should be 2-4 feet in diameter to increase
   the amount of centripetal force acting on the disc
2. The stators need to wrap around the rotor and set up a magnetic
   field that is perpendicular to the disc and induces current in
   the disc that will move to the outer edge. These coils are shaped
   like horseshoes and there should be enough stator electromagnetic
   coils to span the majority of the surface area of the disc.
3. The rotor feeds the stators as well as supplying output power.

Here are some ASCII diagrams of these basic ideas:
(Maybe someone would like to try and build one?) :)
 
                       #
 _________________     #      _________________
/  ____           \    #     /           ____  \
%%%    \-----------\   #    /-----------/    %%%%  <-stator wraps
%%% >)================###================(   %%%%    around disc
%%  ^  /-----------/   #    \-----------\____%%%%     
\_  ^  ___________/    #     \_________________/ 
    ^                  #                            +---------------+
    ^                  # <-central shaft serves as  | ASCII ART KEY |
    ^                      power conductor to disc  +---------------+
 This is a leaf                                     |               |
 spring that connects                               | # metal shaft |
 to the outer slip ring                             | % stator coil |
 on the edge of the disc                            | = disc        |
                                                    | )( slip ring  |
                                                    |               |
                                                    +---------------+

Any clarifications needed? Let me know.. any comments or suggestio


			
-Dale Mahalko