Desiree's Vancouver Guide To Sex
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                            Vancouver Sexy Clubs
                         Vancouver Escort Services

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Guide to Services in Victoria and Vancouver

This document is long!

It is a fictionalized document produced for alt.sex.services.

VERSION 1 - February 2, 1995 TABLE OF CONTENTS
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   * Acknowledgments
   * Introduction
   * A few notes on terminology
   * A few notes on etiquette
   * A few notes on the legal status of services
   * A few notes on the city of victoria
   * Victoria - A few notes on sources of information
   * Victoria - A few notes on street services
   * Victoria - A few notes on massage and escort services
   * Victoria - A few notes and reviews of massage workers and agencies
   * Victoria - A few specific notes on escort services
   * Victoria - A few notes and reviews of escort workers and agencies
   * A few notes on the city of Vancouver

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The authors would like to thank those who contributed to the information in
this FAQ. If you have information to contribute...you may choose to be
acknowledged here, or remain silent (a few of which have done so). Thank
you all!

We'd also like to indicate how much we appreciate the work of the other
compilers of FAQs for other locations. While the structure of this document
is rather informal at this point, we will likely start numbering the
sections so that regular readers can immediately see where new information
is contained rather than going through this whole long document.

INTRODUCTION

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The primary authors and keepers of this document will try to periodically
update this FAQ and add items of interest on a regular basis. If you have
something to contribute, please send it to us, and we'll be more than happy
to add it. In particular we've received requests about what the best strip
clubs are, etc....we're not into that scene and don't have much info to
provide...but if you do and want it in this FAQ...then send it on and it'll
be included.

PLEASE don't send us e-mail asking for a copy of the FAQ. We'll post it
periodically to the usenet group.

If it hasn't appeared for a while, post a message to the group...we'll
eventually see it and respond. In the subject line type REQ: Vic/Vanc FAQ.

For newbies, REQ is an abbreviation for "REQUEST" or "REQUIRED", this helps
us know the context of the message. Please don't type just Vic/Vanc FAQ as
your subject line, because people will likely expect the FAQ to be
contained in the message. Also....please indicate on the usenet group when
you have received the FAQ from either the postings on the usenet group, or
another helpful reader of the group. You may not want zillions of copies of
such a long document cluttering your in-box.

The authors are not computer wizards, so if there is a problem with
formatting, etc....we are not likely to be able to help you..but if you
have suggestions and instructions for us to follow which would make posting
this more convenient for you, then please inform us accordingly. We will do
our best in this regard, but this isn't our full time job...just an
interest of ours, so please be patient.

Some of the information under the Victoria section is general and nature,
and as such, can also be applicable to Vancouver. Where it is not, we will
do our best to indicate such.

Don't take offense at any of the suggestions or editorial comments. If you
want a flame war...take it elsewhere. If you have other perspectives on
issues such as protocol and etiquette...then please share them with the
whole usenet group as a new thread to our discussion. We can all benefit
from seeing other perspectives

We haven't received any permission from the agencies or the workers to
review them in this forum. Then again, newspapers don't ask restaurants or
movie producers permission to review their products or services either!

If you want to mention the existence of this FAQ to an agency or worker
here in Victoria and get some feedback, please do so and let the group
know!...perhaps one of the authors will do this in the next little while.

A FEW NOTES ON TERMINOLOGY

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   * alf and Half - blow job and straight vaginal sex.
   * Oral - blow job.
   * Service Worker - provider of services.
   * Street Worker - service worker located on the street.
   * Escort - service worker not located on the street. You can expect that
     they
   * offer "full service".
   * Full Service - vaginal and/or oral sex available.
   * In-call - where you go to where the service worker is located.
   * Out-call - where the service worker comes to you (usually an extra
     charge
   * of 10-20 dollars). Also, unless you're at a hotel there might be some
   * reticence on the part of the service worker to do so unless you're a
     repeat
   * client. Inquire when you call.
   * Body rub - topless oil massage with hand release.
   * Body rub plus - topless and bottomless oil massage with the service
     worker
   * also rubbing herself down with oil and using her whole body to rub you
   * (imagine yourself being the slip and slide!).

A FEW NOTES ON ETIQUETTE

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No matter what service you use, there is no point in getting angry or
outraged at a real or perceived injustice. Be thankful in the knowledge
that the establishment will never get your business again, and let others
know so that they can avoid any similar circumstances. Unless you're
willing to go to the police and risk making a public incident of your
experience, or getting arrested....just walk away.

If you want a good experience follow the advice and suggestions found in
this FAQ and that found in other FAQs and on the group alt.sex.services.
There's no guarantee that your experience will be a good one...but you'll
avoid some traps. In some personal experiences that are relayed below
you'll see how easy it is to fall into a false sense of security or
confidence...so be aware and be cautious at all times. We've learned from
our mistakes, we hope to spare you from having to do the same.

The usenet group is a good source of feedback and information. It is also
where this FAQ will be posted periodically.

From our experience, most of the women we meet through the different
services are genuinely nice. Every now and again we are disappointed...but
that's just part of life. While in many ways these activities are strictly
business, it does have a personal element over and above just shopping for
something like cars. Personality, personal comfort levels, and chemistry
play an important part in these kind of activities.

As we've read in other FAQ's and in usenet postings....try to establish
prices and services prior to the actual exchange of money. Prices quoted in
this FAQ are in Canadian Dollars.

Don't bring every single piece of identification that you own with you when
you seek out these services. If you're going to an in-call appointment and
traveling by car....only take the money that you need and leave the rest of
your credit cards, etc in the vehicle. We've never had someone steal
anything from us on the occasions where we haven't done this, but if you're
seeing someone for the first time...then we certainly suggest that you
follow this procedure.

Most escorts and agencies take a wide range of credit cards. We, however,
always use cash. Expect that street workers will want cash, however.

Be aware that call display is available. Call display allows the recipient
of phone calls to determine the phone number of the one placing the call.
Most services have this so that they can put a stop to annoying phone calls
from high school kids. If you are bothered by the agency or worker knowing
your phone number then use call block (if you have it) or use an alternate
telephone that is not at your residence...like a pay phone. Call block is
available wherever call display is available (call display requires the
right hardware PLUS arrangements with the phone company).

Call block is currently set up so that there is a 75 cent charge each time
you activate it. It is activated by hitting the * key on the telephone
followed by two numbers...then the normal phone number. Everyone has access
to using call block...unless you have specified that you do not want it.

If you're unsure whether or not call display affects your phone, dial the
operator and inquire whether or not call display works on phones with the
prefix from which you are calling from (eg. 385, 387, etc etc. your prefix
is the first three numbers of the telephone from which you're calling).

A FEW NOTES ON THE LEGAL STATUS OF SERVICES

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We have read many postings which have claimed that prostitution is legal in
Canada. IT IS NOT!

REPEAT ------ IT IS NOT!

Also, no legal brothels (such as those in Nevada) operate in Canada.

Soliciting for the purposes of prostitution is illegal in Canada. Living
off the avails of prostitution is illegal in Canada. Running a bawdy house
is illegal in Canada. Public nuisance is also illegal in Canada.

Simply put, the main focus of police interest is to get prostitution off
the streets. This is not to say that Victoria and Vancouver don't have
persons who solicit on the street, it just means that there are various
legal instruments that allow the police to make it awkward and inconvenient
for the seller and purchaser to conduct business.

Massage Parlours and Escort Services require a normal business license. In
the city of Victoria, individual escorts and agencies must have to pass
through an additional hoop which means the city takes an extra 300 or so
per escort and 3000 or so from the agency. This was enacted on the basis
that these kind of businesses require more policing and other kind of city
services. However, the city of Victoria itself is a small geographic
entity...so when these new regulations were passed by city council, many
workers set up shop in adjacent municipalities to avoid the charges.

A FEW NOTES ON THE CITY OF VICTORIA

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Victoria is a city that primarily relies on government, tourism, the
university, and the military for its existence. Its a beautiful city to
visit, and its easy to get around either by bike, by walking, or by car.

VICTORIA - A FEW NOTES ON SOURCES OF INFORMATION

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Firstly, there's this FAQ....but also....

If you are looking for resource materials the first (and best) place is to
look for bright yellow street boxes which have a local newspaper called
Monday Magazine. They are the only local paper which carries escort ads
(where you will also find massage advertisements). The other source is the
phone book (yellow pages).

We would caution that some agencies which are in the phone book try to
cater business primarily from tourists. Accordingly we have found that
their quoted rates can be up to 50% higher than what we would consider to
be normal. Additionally, the escort and massage business is rather fluid in
this town, with a lot of reorganization and businesses going belly up. The
Monday Magazine newspaper is by far your most accurate guide.

By the way, Monday Magazine is distributed on Wednesday afternoon in the
downtown area and outlying areas on Thursday. Don't ask why its called
monday magazine...just accept that it is...and its a long story ....:-)

The advertisements are in the back of the paper under "escorts". Massage
services are also in this section. The section usually starts with the
smaller individual ads (many of whom are working at agencies) followed by
the agency advertisements.

In Vancouver, some newspaper ads have phone numbers and addresses. This
would allow you to show up in person to make introductory enquiries on
services. In Victoria, only phone numbers are advertised.

VICTORIA - A FEW NOTES ON STREET SERVICES

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You can obtain free maps of Victoria at the tourist information centre. It
is located at the junction of wharf and government streets. It is on the
inner harbour and across the street from the Canada Customs Buildings and
the Empress Hotel.

   * The main area of street services can also be said to be at this
     junction.
   * The southerly most street (running east and west) is Humboldt.
   * The northerly most street (running east and west) is Johnson.
   * The westerly most street (running north and south) is Government.
   * The easterly most street (running north and south) is Douglas.

This will is the main core area of activity.

The level of activity resident on Government street itself depends upon the
time of day. This is largely controlled by the time of year. In the summer
time, activity doesn't get tooo busy till after 11:00pm. This is because
Government street is filled with lots of tourists and tacky tourist shops.

By the way,....the residents of Victoria have not overlooked the irony that
Government street is a popular hangout for street workers....:-)

Ok....the best corners for services are....Courtenay and Gordon Street,
Broughton and Gordon Street, Johnson and Broad Street....and various points
along Government between Courtenay and Johnson.

You may want to look at your handy map before you venture out, since there
are many one way streets.

While driving aimlessly along city streets is not per se illegal...it is
awkward and not very private. Also, there has been stepped up enforcement,
especially along Government street because the city wants to keep up its
image for the sake of tourism. But if this is your preferred way of
acquiring services...then so be it.

Talking prices will get you similar quotes as that for escort services,
however street workers are usually willing to negotiate. For example...they
are likely to start at 150 for a particular kind of service...but
compromise at 100.

When negotiating find out if the price includes a place that she provides.
If not, you may have to dish out some extra money to cover the cost of the
room. If you prefer, and depending on where you live in the city, you could
reduce your cost by bringing her back to your own residence.

Our own view is that street services are much lower quality than can be
found at escort services and there is not much difference in terms of
price. The main advantage of street services is that you can visually see
the street worker and evaluate her appearance, at an escort service you
normally take your chances on the description offered being accurate. We
tend to prefer the privacy aspects of using escort services.

NOTE: We have found that the police tend to be going out of their way to
patrol the street service area described above. Some police cars in
Victoria are blue, the newer ones are white....not that this will help you
in the dark. The only active corner during the daytime is at Johnson and
Broad Street...but it also has high traffic (both car and foot).

VICTORIA - A FEW NOTES ON MASSAGE AND ESCORT SERVICES

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In this section you'll find the nuts and bolts on how to go about obtaining
services at a massage parlour or escort service.

Do not make the mistake of assuming that all mass

At the advertised establishments it is up to the individual service worker.
Most, in fact, do not...that's why they work there and not at an escort
agency. Most will offer oral sex...but that is as far as they are likely to
go.

Costs....usually 65 for a body rub...85 for bottomless body rub...110 for
body rub plus. If you want oral sex to finish your body rub, expect to pay
about 100 total. Since "extra" services are not part of the regular pay
schedule and are largely dependent on the individual worker, feel free to
negotiate. Ask how much a certain activity would cost and if that seems too
steep ask counter offer with "would you be willing to take XXXX?".

Escort Service....90-110 for half and hour (100 seems to be the
standard)....140-160 for an hour (150 seems to be the standard)......and up
depending.....

The nice thing about the massage service is that they'll bring you to
release without a condom! There is no penetration or exchange of
fluids...so a condom is not used during the body rub.

How to go about obtaining the service you want.

Telephone the service (or individual) before you visit. Have some paper and
a pen/pencil to take down notes. Ask what the rates are and for what kind
of service. (If you're looking for full service ASK if anyone there
provides that...remember if you're calling a massage parlour ...they aren't
escort agencies even though they advertise under that section in the
paper!).

If you are calling an agency, you may want to start by asking who is
available and getting a description. Please don't call an agency trying to
set up an appointment a day or two or three in advance. They might not know
who's working then and most will be reticent to make such arrangements. An
exception to this might be if you're quite financially well off and want
some special arrangements (eg. wanting someone for a whole week, or
specific kind of fantasy fulfilment, etc.). Also, if you're a known
customer better agencies will be more than happy to accommodate a request
(eg. someone who travels to the city on business and prefers the company of
a particular woman and doesn't want to be disappointed that she isn't
working that day or to find that she is busy with another customer).

If you call, call with a serious intent to actually use the service that
day or evening. As you may suspect, they get their fair share of "curious"
people and perverts. Don't be one yourself.

At this point you may be asked what kind of girl you are looking for or the
agency may automatically list off who is available. They will usually
provide you with a first name, hair colour, body measurements and whether
or not the person is toned or rubenesque, etc etc. We have found that
slender is a code word for slim and NOT busty. Full-figured usually means
busty and not slender (sometimes can also mean that the worker is perhaps
also a little overweight).

If you want to know who's available but they have you stuck on the phone
when they say what kind of girl you're looking for... you may want to
indicate that you are unsure and want an idea of whom they might have
available that night. If no one appeals to you, then describe what kind of
girl you are interested in. Or inquire whether or not there might be other
girls to choose from later on in the evening or on a different day. Not
every service worker is always working and available.

If you're calling from a hotel, be aware that your hotel may take certain
security measures once 11:00pm or so rolls around. In the better hotels
particularly, you have to show identification to enter, and the access to
the elevators, etc. may be monitored closely. If this is the case...then
plan your venture for early in the evening (or daytime). If not, the hotel
bellman may call you saying that there is a visitor waiting for you, and
you will have to go down and get your guest. Hotel workers aren't
stupid...and you may find this embarrassing...so be warned!

Recently one of us had wondered how to go about finding out whether or not
"greek" would be possible. We found that asking that on the phone was no
problem. The answer was almost uniformly NO. (that's right...almost!) We
found that kind of service is likely available where the woman advertised
herself as being quiet/demure/submissive/open-minded. If you're looking for
this kind of service, you may want to start with contacting people with
those kind of code words first.

Also, it is possible to negotiate on the phone. If the price seems a little
steep ask whether or not it would be possible to get xxx amount of time for
xxxx dollars. You'll have to weigh in your own mind whether or not you'll
get quality service for a reduced price. Most people who are good at their
jobs do a good job regardless...and we have found that is true. We have
been rushed and not felt good about experiences paying full price and
reduced price. Then again we have had good experiences both paying full
price and reduced price. We have found that it depends on the woman.

If you find someone you like and you'll be having an in-call service,
expect for the appointment to be scheduled for 30 min. from the time at
which you're placing the call.

This will give you time to travel, and for the girl to get ready. Most
places are apartments. In some in-call suites the buzzer number is
different than the apartment number. Don't be put off if they tell you the
buzzer number and that they'll give you the apartment number once you
arrive. This is a perfectly normal way of doing business and it provides
them (and you) with a little privacy and ensures that the only people
buzzing them are serious in purchasing the service.

If all of a sudden you have company at your doorstep on the verge of
leaving for your appointment...(which happened to one of us)...please call
and cancel indicating your circumstance and apologize. You don't want to
get a negative reputation with that agency and they might recognize your
voice, phone number, etc. and not be so civilized when you next try to
arrange for services.

Don't arrive early. If you happen to get to the place prior to the time,
wait in your car, walk the block....whatever. Show up on time or a couple
minutes after the time. Most agencies will start the "clock" once you
arrive. If the girl is working alone, she may call in to the agency or to a
friend indicating that you have arrived and the time will start from there.
Also, if another girl is with a customer...you might end up bumping into
that other customer if you arrive early. It could be embarrassing for you
and for the other fellow. Most agencies try to arrange customer visits so
that this doesn't happen.

Also....don't expect that the escorts or agencies have change or that they
will convert currencies. They are not bankers...and will expect to pocket
any surplus...so get this organized before hand.

Privacy is an interesting issue. When we first obtained services we were
paranoid about the set up on the other end. A first issue was....who the
hell is going to be seeing me there?? The reality is that there is usually
more than one girl at the in-call location, especially if you're using an
escort service rather than an individual escort who works solo (note some
personal ads under the escort section are also attached to an agency...see
comments under specific escort agency).

Be polite and a little friendly when you arrive. Don't cower or look
ashamed.

When you enter let her lead you to where you'll be going. If you're at a
location to where there is more than one girl, they'll lead you straight to
the bedroom. If its totally private with just the two of you...you may get
led to the living room for some quick chit chat.

After some initial chit chat establish what it is you want, etc. If you got
some prices on the phone and they don't match when you meet in person, then
just apologize and leave. Don't be conned into thinking that certain
activities are "extra". Spend a few moments with your pants on thinking
with the head between your shoulders rather than between your
legs....otherwise you may regret it!...:-)

If you are disappointed with the escort or that she doesn't match your
expectations, say so at this point but say it tactfully. If she is the only
one there indicate that you had expected something different when you spoke
on the phone. If there are others workers there you may be asked if you
want to see the others, or if you feel comfortable ask to see whether there
are others available.

Either way...if you don't want to stay give her some money, we would
suggest 20 dollars. She may have declined other appointments subsequent to
you phoning and this shows a bit of class on your part. If she gets snarly
or complains, etc...just get up, say sorry she feels that way, and
leave....without giving her the money.

We have found that the better service workers sit down with you and ask
what it was that you were looking for. If you find it a bit weird to blurt
out you want a suck and fuck...then use words like oral and straight sex.
Or just say you like a little of everything.

Remember "everything" does NOT include GREEK!

If you like breasts and fondling them...you may want to say so during the
initial discussion. We have been sadly disappointed to find out after
exchanging money that the particular girl "doesn't like guys doing that".
Also, if you like giving oral then you might want to also say so. We
personally have found it weird to say i like giving oral, so i just
gravitate to that when the excitement begins and if she doesn't do
that...she'll let you know. This is also true with kissing. The latitude of
"allowance" of certain kind of activities of these sort is largely
dependent on the personal assessment that the service worker makes. As with
everything...if you think these activities are too risky in the world of
AIDS and STDs...then don't do them!

We personally like some of these additional sort of things, so we tend to
re- visit those people who allow those kind of things. Also, we think the
chances of success in this regard are helped by being a bit friendly and
outgoing when you first arrive. Be cognizant of the fact that she is
opening up the door to a total stranger. To a certain extent you have to
prove that you aren't some psycho who is waiting to prey on her. Being non-
responsive and not making any eye contact is not a good way to start off a
good experience!

VICTORIA - A FEW SPECIFIC NOTES ON ESCORT SERVICES

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The industry in Victoria is quite active for such a small town. The escort
industry has undergone quite a few business changes including bankruptcies,
mergers and buy-outs, etc.

Some agencies, even though they have separate names and phone numbers are
owned by the same person(s). In the subsequent section we have tried to
indicate where this is the case. If you're wondering how this can be....its
the miracle of call forwarding!

All the agencies we have used REQUIRE condoms. We have never found an
agency which offers the "option". Then again...we have never asked either.

Costs...usually 100 for half an hour....150 for an hour. This is usually
for half and half. If you pay for an hour you can likely negotiate being
able to come a second time....it really depends...negotiate that up front.
As indicated in the terminology section....the outcall services will add
10-20 dollars to your bill, if they provide that kind of service. One of us
had the unfortunate experience of paying for an hour with a worker and
coming quickly. She went into the bathroom and came back fully dressed!
Needless to say there was a bit of embarrassment and puzzlement .....it
wasn't agreed to up front...so....don't assume!

If you're into mistresses and domination....you're also in luck. Several
are resident here and have been long established. We have not been to any
of them...so i can't vouch on the range of services they offer.

A number of agencies offer "doubles", etc...so if you want to double or
triple your pleasure...its available...all at a cost, of course.

VICTORIA - A FEW NOTES AND REVIEWS OF MASSAGE WORKERS AND AGENCIES

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Ratings are from 1-5 Stars for Agencies.

   * 1 Star = Poor
   * 2 Stars = Somewhat Less than expected.
   * 3 Stars = About what was expected. Ok, but not "good".
   * 4 Stars = Good. Would recommend it to first timers and repeat users.
   * 5 Stars = VERY GOOD. Well run operation and good workers.

Ratings for workers

Not recommended: poor experience...avoid.

Average: okay experience, wouldn't go out of our way to book another
appointment, but was somewhat satisfied.

Recommended: would book another appointment, good service.

Note: The rating for the agency reflects the condition of the premises, the
truthfulness of the telephone information, and other factors as indicated.
Some agencies there is a correlation between the quality of the workers and
the agency in general, others it is not the case. Therefore agency ratings
and worker ratings are independent of each other.

Independents (Not affiliated with an agency).

Diana/Cheryl - she uses two different names (on alternating basis) but it's
the same woman. She advertises as 35 yrs. old, pretty and submissive. She
looks younger than her advertised age...looks to be in her mid 20's. 5'6,
C-Cup, Blonde. Lives a little bit out of town in Esquimalt, in a nice
apartment. She acts a bit coquettish and uses wonderful smelling perfume.
100/150. Greek for 200...but she'll take 150. Pretty good one time
experience. Recommended.

Asia and Tawny - two different girls. Asia is oriental and has light skin,
and Tawny is from the pacific and has dark skin. Standard 100/150 rates.
Both are very attractive, petite, slender and B-C cup. They used to be
affiliated with an agency, but now work together and are not affiliated
with an agency. One of us saw and met them while visiting another agency,
but did not use their services. No Recommendation, but they seemed very
nice. If you're interested in an oriental woman, we'd take the chance.

Franchesca's Playhouse and Dungeon

This is a relatively new agency. It is an operator owned agency. This means
that several of the workers are the actual owners of the agency. This
agency (from what we have learned) has drawn many workers from other
agencies because of its good environment. Many advertisements for the
agency "triumph" that XXXX formerly of XXXXXX agency can now be reached at
Franchesca's.

In our estimation this is currently the hot agency in town. It has a wide
variety of services for both heterosexual and homosexual interests. It also
has a fully equipped dungeon, though the authors can not comment any
further on this aspect since we are not interested in that kind of
activity.

The hours are 10:00am till 11:00pm. Most of the workers do a good deal of
daytime business. Most escorts and agencies operate till 2:00 or 3:00 in
the morning. From what we have heard, this agency doesn't want to deal with
the drunken and surly clientele of people who didn't meet someone at a
night-club. Also, most of the workers have been in Victoria long enough to
have enough "regulars" and not have to work such bizarre hours.

The agency offers a wide range of workers from tall to petite, slender to
busty. Doubles are offered as well as Dominatrixes.

The agency is genuinely interested in treating its workers and customers as
real human beings.

Rating: ??? (will be visiting soon, but they must be doing something right
to attract a LOT of workers from other agencies!) For now, we'll give it a
4!

Allison. Recommended. A recent addition to the agency. She was with another
agency till it went under...then freelanced a little. She is very nice.
About 5'6, shoulder length straight hair sort of brown/reddish in colour,
C-cup. Nice voice, pleasant personality, professional. Recommended.

Escape and Relax

The only AGENCY which is massage focused. Many of the escort agencies do
offer massage as well, but this is the primary activity offered by this
agency.

Price: 65 for topless hand release/85 bottomless/110 full body rub.

About half will offer other services. Half do not.

The in-call location is an average kind of apartment. Usually there are 2-3
people when you arrive. The one who you requested by phone will answer the
door. The only slightly annoying aspect is that

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