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From henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com Fri Dec 15 18:00:40 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Can a virus damage hardware? From: HLE <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:00:40 GMT I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. Myth? Thanks, -- Remove the OBVIOUS Turtles, turtles -- all the way down! From akhibs@my-deja.com Fri Dec 15 18:55:06 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: AkHibby <akhibs@my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 02:55:06 GMT In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, HLE <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> wrote: > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > Myth? > These days, yes. Come on Sugien, I can't believe you haven't jumped in yet :) Ian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From mailbox2112@aol.com Fri Dec 15 19:16:34 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: mailbox2112@aol.com (Mailbox 2112) Date: 16 Dec 2000 03:16:34 GMT >These days, yes. Please explain your theory and provide evidence. Thanks. From akhibs@my-deja.com Sat Dec 16 07:30:54 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: AkHibby <akhibs@my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 15:30:54 GMT In article <20001215221634.26340.00004816@ng-fu1.aol.com>, mailbox2112@aol.com (Mailbox 2112) wrote: > >These days, yes. > > Please explain your theory and provide evidence. Thanks. > I wasn't clear, I meant Yes, it's a myth. Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From sugien@my-deja.com Fri Dec 15 21:16:56 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 05:16:56 GMT In article <91eli9$323$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, AkHibby <akhibs@my-deja.com> wrote: > In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, > HLE <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> wrote: > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > Myth? > > > These days, yes. Come on Sugien, I can't believe you haven't jumped in > yet :) > > Ian > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ > It's like beating a dead horse, and I am not up to par tonight, not feelin at all well, as a little TMI, my pipes are all backed up only went 2 times this month for a BM. -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From seeking_a_cert@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 06:24:31 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "The Night Stalker" <seeking_a_cert@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 14:24:31 GMT <information filed away in the "More than I really wanted to know" file> :-)) Stalker Steve, MCP Get Certified http://www.stormpages.com/getcertified Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:91ets6$8qe$1@nnrp1.deja.com... > In article <91eli9$323$1@nnrp1.deja.com>, > AkHibby <akhibs@my-deja.com> wrote: > > In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, > > HLE <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> wrote: > > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > > > Myth? > > > > > These days, yes. Come on Sugien, I can't believe you haven't jumped > in > > yet :) > > > > Ian > > > > Sent via Deja.com > > http://www.deja.com/ > > > > It's like beating a dead horse, and I am not up to par tonight, not > feelin at all well, as a little TMI, my pipes are all backed up only > went 2 times this month for a BM. > -- > /} > http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> > \} > > > > Sent via Deja.com > http://www.deja.com/ From jasetaro@sprynet.com Fri Dec 15 20:20:04 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Jeffrey A. Setaro <jasetaro@sprynet.com> Date: Fri, 15 Dec 2000 23:20:04 -0500 In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com says... > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > Myth? > Yes & no... From a purely technical standpoint no known virus is able to physically damage hardware. From a practical standpoint a virus like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced. > Thanks, > Your welcome. HTH. -- Cheers- Jeff Setaro jasetaro@sprynet.com http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 From Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt Sat Dec 16 08:36:08 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 16:36:08 +0000 This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write of Flash Memory. Joost ------------ In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com says... > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > Myth? > Yes & no... From a purely technical standpoint no known virus is able to physically damage hardware. From a practical standpoint a virus like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced. > Thanks, > Your welcome. HTH. -- Cheers- Jeff Setaro jasetaro@sprynet.com http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 From casio246@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 00:09:13 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "andy" <casio246@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 08:09:13 -0000 You can't damage graphic card,sound card,etc with a virus. But you can mess up the bios with a virus <Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt> wrote in message news:91g5o8$dtr$1@venus.telepac.pt... > This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write > of Flash Memory. > > Joost > ------------ > In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, > henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com says... > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > Myth? > > > > Yes & no... From a purely technical standpoint no known virus is able > to physically damage hardware. From a practical standpoint a virus > like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way > that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced. > > > Thanks, > > > > Your welcome. HTH. > > -- > Cheers- > > Jeff Setaro > jasetaro@sprynet.com > http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ > PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 > From genius1@mindless.com Sat Dec 16 12:44:59 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <genius1@mindless.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:44:59 GMT In article <91gi24$578$1@uranium.btinternet.com>, "andy" <casio246@yahoo.com> wrote: > You can't damage graphic card,sound card,etc with a virus. But you can mess > up the bios with a virus <snip> What about the newer top of the line video cards which have a flashable bios? and some even have duel flashable bios? -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk Sat Dec 16 15:30:43 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Nick FitzGerald" <nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:30:43 GMT Sugien <genius1@mindless.com> wrote: > What about the newer top of the line video cards which have a > flashable bios? and some even have duel flashable bios? So what? To in any way damage such hardware a piece of software would have to exhaust the Flash ROM's reflash life. These days, that is a very large number of flash cycles... And it is debatable whether "just wearing something out" is really what people take "software can damage hardware" to mean... -- Nick FitzGerald From jasetaro@sprynet.com Sat Dec 16 10:04:29 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Jeffrey A. Setaro <jasetaro@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 13:04:29 -0500 In article <91g5o8$dtr$1@venus.telepac.pt>, Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt says... > This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write > of Flash Memory. > I known that... That's why I said "From a practical standpoint a virus like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced." For all practical purposes once the Flash BIOS has been corrupted by W95/CIH the hardware is "damaged". Yes the Flash ROM can be reprogrammed but that assumes the user has access to a Flash ROM burner and the Flash ROM chip(s) can be removed from the MLB... I hate to break this to you but there are whole hell of a lot of MLBs out there that have the Flash ROM chip(s) soldered in place. Try telling a users who has just shelled $100 for new MLB that the old one isn't damaged. From a purely technical point of view it isn't from a purely practical point of view the suckers toast. -- Cheers- Jeff Setaro jasetaro@sprynet.com http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 From sugien@my-deja.com Sat Dec 16 11:07:21 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:07:21 GMT In article <MPG.14a5776543fd101198a130@nntp.sprynet.com>, Jeffrey A. Setaro <jasetaro@sprynet.com> wrote: > In article <91g5o8$dtr$1@venus.telepac.pt>, > Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt says... > > This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write > > of Flash Memory. > > > > I known that... That's why I said "From a practical standpoint a virus > like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way > that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced." > > For all practical purposes once the Flash BIOS has been corrupted by > W95/CIH the hardware is "damaged". Yes the Flash ROM can be > reprogrammed but that assumes the user has access to a Flash ROM > burner and the Flash ROM chip(s) can be removed from the MLB... I hate > to break this to you but there are whole hell of a lot of MLBs out > there that have the Flash ROM chip(s) soldered in place. Try telling a > users who has just shelled $100 for new MLB that the old one isn't > damaged. From a purely technical point of view it isn't from a purely > practical point of view the suckers toast. > > -- > Cheers- > > Jeff Setaro > jasetaro@sprynet.com > http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ > PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 > I agree 100% with this post -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk Sat Dec 16 15:33:27 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Nick FitzGerald" <nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:33:27 GMT Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> wrote: > I agree 100% with this post So do I, but the point is that technically the hardware is not damaged. "Ordinary users" often see things differently (and wrong). That is their right. If you are going to discuss something technical with a group of technical people though, you should expect to be held to technical standards. -- Nick FitzGerald From jasetaro@sprynet.com Sat Dec 16 17:15:37 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Jeffrey A. Setaro <jasetaro@sprynet.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 20:15:37 -0500 In article <01c067b7$ddfe98e0$0500000a@nick>, nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk says... [Snip] > > "Ordinary users" often see things differently (and wrong). That is > their right. If you are going to discuss something technical with > a group of technical people though, you should expect to be held to > technical standards. > Absolutely... Unfortunately technical people often forget that "ordinary users" perceive the world differently than they do. -- Cheers- Jeff Setaro jasetaro@sprynet.com http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 From seeking_a_cert@yahoo.com Sat Dec 16 10:04:36 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "The Night Stalker" <seeking_a_cert@yahoo.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 18:04:36 GMT Yes, but until the Flash is done, you dont use the computer. If the Flash is done incorrectly, the board can be rendered useless. Top this off with the fact that flashing the chip is often more expensive to have done than it would be to replace the board. Stalker Steve, MCP <Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt> wrote in message news:91g5o8$dtr$1@venus.telepac.pt... > This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write > of Flash Memory. > > Joost > ------------ > In article <3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com>, > henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com says... > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > Myth? > > > > Yes & no... From a purely technical standpoint no known virus is able > to physically damage hardware. From a practical standpoint a virus > like W95/CIH can corrupt the Flash BIOS on some systems in such a way > that the system is unusable until the Flash BIOS is replaced. > > > Thanks, > > > > Your welcome. HTH. > > -- > Cheers- > > Jeff Setaro > jasetaro@sprynet.com > http://home.sprynet.com/~jasetaro/ > PGP Key IDs DH/DSS: 0x5D41429D RSA: 0x599D2A99 > From sugien@my-deja.com Sat Dec 16 11:09:38 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 19:09:38 GMT In article <U8O_5.4565$7V2.133740@typhoon.austin.rr.com>, "The Night Stalker" <seeking_a_cert@yahoo.com> wrote: > Yes, but until the Flash is done, you dont use the computer. If the Flash > is done incorrectly, the board can be rendered useless. Top this off with > the fact that flashing the chip is often more expensive to have done than it > would be to replace the board. > <snip> Not to mention the newer top of the line Video cards out there that have there own flashable bios and some that even have duel bios. -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk Sat Dec 16 15:36:03 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Nick FitzGerald" <nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:36:03 GMT Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> wrote: > Not to mention the newer top of the line Video cards out there that > have there own flashable bios and some that even have duel bios. This is not that new at all. The first Flash ROM I know for sure I saw on a video card was on a very ordinary card three and half years ago. Further, the board's design probably pre-dated the purchase date by a good 18 months as it was far from a "top end" card at the time. -- Nick FitzGerald From genius1@mindless.com Sun Dec 17 00:17:01 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <genius1@mindless.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:17:01 GMT In article <01c067b8$3a6ae020$0500000a@nick>, "Nick FitzGerald" <nick@virus-l.demon.co.uk> wrote: > Sugien <sugien@my-deja.com> wrote: > > > Not to mention the newer top of the line Video cards out there that > > have there own flashable bios and some that even have duel bios. > > This is not that new at all. > > The first Flash ROM I know for sure I saw on a video card was on a > very ordinary card three and half years ago. Further, the board's > design probably pre-dated the purchase date by a good 18 months as > it was far from a "top end" card at the time. > > -- > Nick FitzGerald > Did I say it WAS new? I don't think so, I said on the newer cards which it is, that doesn't say I was precluding it being on older cards, for someone whom nitpicks about reading someting into someones post that wasn't said you sure did, now didn't you. I said not to mention the newer cards, and that sure doesn't preclude it also being on older cards -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From robert.moir@ntlworld.com Sat Dec 16 17:49:27 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Robert Moir" <robert.moir@ntlworld.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 01:49:27 -0000 <Joost_De_Raeymaeker_nospam@rsvp.pt> wrote in message news:91g5o8$dtr$1@venus.telepac.pt... > This is not physically damaging the hardware. It's a software erase/write > of Flash Memory. Like the man said, technically no hardware damage is done. As a practical matter, you try explaining to Joe Q. Enduser that his machine isn't physically damaged but you are going to have to replace their motherboard because thats the most cost effective way of dealing with the problem and see if they understand you at the end of it all! -- -- Robert Moir, Microsoft MVP To search the MS Knowledge base use the link below: http://support.microsoft.com/support/search/c.asp?PSL=1 My Homepage - http://www.robertmoir.co.uk ** Emailed questions will not be answered ** From kurt_wismer@netzero.net Sat Dec 16 21:50:13 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: kurt wismer <kurt_wismer@netzero.net> Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2000 23:50:13 -0600 HLE wrote: > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > Myth? yes, a myth... no known virus has ever damaged hardware... -- "while sowing the seeds of utopia you invoked a convenient amnesia you forgot how to care, you forgot how to provide you forgot how to work towards a meaningful life" From genius1@mindless.com Sun Dec 17 00:22:48 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: Sugien <genius1@mindless.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 08:22:48 GMT In article <3A3C5415.BABB4F@netzero.net>, kurt wismer <kurt_wismer@netzero.net> wrote: > HLE wrote: > > > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > Myth? > > yes, a myth... no known virus has ever damaged hardware... But then again we get into the tiard old argument about physical damage and damage in as much that to the adverage user if they have to replace a mother board because of a virus that has trashed there BIOS, and the bios is soldered in it is just plane cost effective to replace the mother board rather than desolder and then reflash the chip. Look at it like a salamanders(at least I think it is a salamander) tail, you can cut it off and he will grow another one now would that or would that not be physical damage? the tail is completley gone so that would be physical damage; but he will grow another tail so is it physical damage? > -- > "while sowing the seeds of utopia > you invoked a convenient amnesia > you forgot how to care, you forgot how to provide > you forgot how to work towards a meaningful life" > > -- -- /} http://www.zoomnet.net/~quick @###{ ]::::::Dino-Soft Software::::::> \} Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From akhibs@my-deja.com Sun Dec 17 05:24:33 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: AkHibby <akhibs@my-deja.com> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 13:24:33 GMT In article <3A3C5415.BABB4F@netzero.net>, kurt wismer <kurt_wismer@netzero.net> wrote: > HLE wrote: > > > > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > > > > Myth? > > yes, a myth... no known virus has ever damaged hardware... > Well done in avoiding the trap I fell into :) Ian Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/ From PaX@SLAM-VT.org.uk Sun Dec 17 12:07:45 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "PaX" <PaX@SLAM-VT.org.uk> Date: Sun, 17 Dec 2000 20:07:45 -0000 >>>>>>Well done in avoiding the trap I fell into :)<<<< Cant comment on many parts of this but would you all like the code posted that overvolts an Ath cpu?? so long as you have an asus or chaintech mobo it works pretty well ..... PaX [SLAM] Virus Team From philpem@btinternet.com Mon Dec 18 15:13:54 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:13:54 -0000 "PaX" <PaX@SLAM-VT.org.uk> wrote in message news:91j6ck$c25$1@gxsn.com... > >>>>>>Well done in avoiding the trap I fell into :)<<<< > > Cant comment on many parts of this but would you all like the code posted > that overvolts an Ath cpu?? > > so long as you have an asus or chaintech mobo it works pretty well ..... Ouch... Nasty... Virus: "MUHAHAHA" Athlon CPU: sizzle... sizzle... PC: <squeal> <PC begins to smoke> (l)user: "YEEEEEAAAAAAARRRRRGGHH!!!!!" -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem@bigfoot.com From paul@there.com Mon Dec 18 08:29:11 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "paul" <paul@there.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 16:29:11 -0000 "HLE" <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> wrote in message news:3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com... > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. > Er guys, before you go spinning right off the planet, the original poster was asking only about MECHANICAL damage. From philpem@btinternet.com Mon Dec 18 15:09:10 2000 Newsgroups: alt.comp.virus Subject: Re: Can a virus damage hardware? From: "Philip Pemberton" <philpem@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 18 Dec 2000 23:09:10 -0000 "HLE" <henry@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com> wrote in message news:3A3ACC11.2819F1D0@progenysysteOBVIOUSms.com... > I've seen stories about viruses that can actually cause mechanical > damage to a computer's hardware -- presumably the hard disk. The old Commodore floppy drives could be told to seek to the end of the mechanical mountings due to the lack of a track 0 switch. Basically, the head hit the spindle and got whacked out of alignment. Ouch. > Myth? These days, yes. -- Phil. http://www.philpem.f9.co.uk/ philpem@bigfoot.com