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The moderator will choose submissions for inclusion based on their relevance and content. Submissions will not be routinely acknowledged. All submissions should be addressed to "<A HREF="mailto:privacy@vortex.com">privacy@vortex.com</A>" and must have RELEVANT "Subject:" lines; submissions without appropriate and relevant "Subject:" lines may be ignored. Excessive "signatures" on submissions are subject to editing. Subscriptions are via an automatic list server system; for subscription information, please send a message consisting of the word "help" (quotes not included) in the BODY of a message to: "<A HREF="mailto:privacy-request@vortex.com">privacy-request@vortex.com</A>". Mailing list problems should be reported to "<A HREF="mailto:list-maint@vortex.com">list-maint@vortex.com</A>". All messages included in this digest represent the views of their individual authors and all messages submitted must be appropriate to be distributable without limitations. 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Access to PRIVACY Forum materials is also available through the Internet World Wide Web (WWW) via the Vortex Technology WWW server at the URL: "<A HREF="http://www.vortex.com">http://www.vortex.com</A>"; full keyword searching of all PRIVACY Forum files is available via WWW access. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- VOLUME 09, ISSUE 12 Quote for the day: "There's never a cop around when you need one!" Robert Neville (Charlton Heston) "The Omega Man" (Warner Bros.; 1971) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 15 Apr 2000 10:04:01 -0700 (PDT) From: <A HREF="mailto:lauren@vortex.com">lauren@vortex.com</A> (Lauren Weinstein; PRIVACY Forum Moderator) Subject: Web Security, Privacy, and the Big Lie Greetings. Even as the grand shakeout begins in the "dot com" universe, with venture capital drying up, profits usually non-existent, and even some of the most visible e-commerce firms threatened with insolvency, the public relations campaigns continue unabated. Consumers are urged to be comfortable with online transactions, to trust them. The litany is soothing: "You're safe--you're protected--you have friends in the machines." But recent events are telling a different story, illustrating how the lack of security in many Web-based systems threatens the release of data that can cause financial and privacy problems to the victims for years to come. This situation was easy to predict for anyone who has ever looked "behind the curtain" at the innards of many e-commerce systems. Web sites that are replete with flashy graphics and even reassuring privacy policies are frequently held together with the software equivalents of bubble gum, masking tape, and bent paper clips. Add to this such goodies as the newly revealed Microsoft FrontPage 98 Web-authoring "back door" pass-phrase ("Netscape engineers are weenies"), which not only raise new security fears, but should also trigger a reevaluation of both quality control worries and concerns about the emotional maturity of the authors of such important software systems. It's easy for sites to claim that they're protecting your personal information when you engage in e-commerce. It's much harder (that is, nearly impossible) for consumers to determine if such information is really secure. You should certainly expect the use of "SSL" (Secure Sockets Layer) encryption to protect your personal data--and you can check that it's really enabled within your Web browser (usually via a little "lock" icon symbol). It <B>is</B> very important to check--some Web pages claim to be encrypted with SSL but actually aren't due to purposeful omission or accidental errors. But most of the more dramatic cases involving release of personal data from Web sites, including credit card information, financial data, and all manner of other important information, haven't related to SSL problems at all, but rather to other Web site failings and data kept inappropriately on publicly accessible machines. Poor software and systems design, inept configurations, and the lack of maintenance or qualified operations personnel at Web sites often result in hollow vessels that are great at collecting your credit card data, but in reality provide a level of privacy and security straight out of a "Twilight Zone" episode... Submitted for your approval, the case of "The Memory Broker" (<A HREF="http://www.compbroker.com">http://www.compbroker.com</A>). This popular online memory seller and buyer allows customers to access their order invoice information on their "secure" Web site via SSL-protected pages. Just one problem--any user can access <B>any</B> invoice on the system, simply be incrementing or decrementing an "order id" field in the URL. Oops! The records available include all of the order data except the actual credit card numbers. Names, physical addresses, e-mail addresses, phone numbers, credit card types, expiration dates, products ordered, etc., are all included. While it could be worse (if the credit card numbers were also present), most of the rest of this information would well be considered private by most customers. If nothing else, customers might not wish their information to be mined for mailing lists and spam by outside observers of the data, nor have their physical addresses or phone numbers publicly available. The data records go back a number of years and forward to (apparently) the present time. The PRIVACY Forum reader who discovered this problem informed the firm by e-mail (no working phone number was immediately apparent from the site's Web pages), but reported that no response was received and that the order information continued to be available. I also tried contacting the firm, to no avail. The apparently valid phone number I found associated with their domain registration led to an order line that was never answered live, and the voicemail messages I left were not returned. Their announced 800 "tech support" line was never answered at all. I did manage to contact the firm's ISP (Isat Network in Las Vegas), but was unable to reach anyone in authority to discuss this situation. I also contacted "The Netcheck Commerce Bureau" which my searches revealed had listed "The Memory Broker" for a number of years with a good rating. Netcheck's Web site (<A HREF="http://www.netcheck.com">http://www.netcheck.com</A>) says that they "promote ethical business practices worldwide"--a laudable goal. But I also learned that they haven't considered privacy issues to be part of their evaluations, and they apparently don't attempt to keep track of firms once they've signed up, relying totally on consumer complaints. Since Netcheck doesn't require member firms to mention their connection with Netcheck on the member firms' own Web pages, it isn't clear how the average consumer would even think to file a complaint with Netcheck if they <B>did</B> have a problem! And in fact, "The Memory Broker" does not appear to mention Netcheck in any immediately apparent location. Netcheck said that they'd try to contact the firm and let me know what they could find out--so far I haven't heard back. I might also add that the 800 number listed on Netcheck for "The Memory Broker" leads to a seemingly unrelated individual's voicemail message. So we see the results of building our e-commerce empire upon a foundation of sand. Untrustworthy and even "rigged" software systems abound. Companies that give lip service to security and privacy, but it seems really couldn't care less when it comes to responding to concerns and complaints, spoil the environment for everyone, particularly for the good and honest firms who are genuinely trying to operate high-quality, ethical e-commerce systems. Add into the mix an antiquated regulatory environment that largely treats e-commerce like the rough-and-tumble days of the Old West, rampant political opportunism, and a hype level to make P.T. Barnum proud. It's easy to see why e-commerce consumers feel confused, abused, and increasingly not at all amused. Happy shopping, viewers. --Lauren-- Lauren Weinstein <A HREF="mailto:lauren@pfir.org">lauren@pfir.org</A> or <A HREF="mailto:lauren@vortex.com">lauren@vortex.com</A> Co-Founder, PFIR: People for Internet Responsibility - <A HREF="http://www.pfir.org">http://www.pfir.org</A> Moderator, PRIVACY Forum - <A HREF="http://www.vortex.com">http://www.vortex.com</A> Member, ACM Committee on Computers and Public Policy ------------------------------ End of PRIVACY Forum Digest 09.12 ************************ </PRE> <hr> <center> <A href="/privacy"><h3>PRIVACY Forum Home Page</h3></A><p> <A href="http://www.vortex.com"><h4><i>Vortex Technology Home Page</i></h4></A><p> <A href="/privmedia"><h4>Radio, Television, and Press Contact Information</h4></A><p> </center> <p> <font size=-2>Copyright © 2001 Vortex Technology. All Rights Reserved.</font> </BODY> </HTML>