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Subject: SOPHOMORES EXPOSED
From: venusdumbrowski@my-dejanews.com
Date: Wed, 05 May 1999 04:53:50 GMT

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MASSAGE PATTERNS?

I was wondering if any guys have successes or ideas on massage patterns, or
techniques that really loosen and get hot a HB during massage time.  Any input
would be greatly appreciated.  Frankis \~

A LONG-TIME SLEAZE SEDUCER LOSER REPORTS ON MASSAGE (Halbmike)

http://steelballs.com if you are tired of foos already.

I do have one qwik story.  After hanging w/ Ben (I'm guessing his magicKal
connections video is a good bet) I decided to play w/ palm reading.  Then my
friend looked at his watch and looked at me.  So, I changed my approach.  I
said "Your palm is kinda stiff, if it is OK, I'll read your palm after I
loosen you up a bit because it will be easier OK.  I then preceded to massage
her.  I quickly paced and suggested "You seem to be really enjoying this,
maybe we should just continue with this and I'll do you (look at her palm)
later. I recommend getting some training in addition to doing a pattern.  At
the very least rent a video from blockbuster or read a little bit.  Doing
massage the wrong way can actually be dangerous.  Maybe Kim can chime in with
some good basics or safety instructions.  Maybe Kim could even do a video or
teach something about this at a future seminar. Halbmike

COMMENT: (This goof is a lawyer with and obsession for impressing others -
can you say insecure?) This is the basic ass-kissing behavior exhibited by
long- time goofs who have spent thousands upon thousands and still can't get
laid. This goof kisses WUSS' former shill's ass because he thinks WUSS will
like that because WUSS splits the profits with his former shill who is an
outcall massage girl.  EGAD!

MALE MODEL LOVER CHIMES IN WITH MASSAGE ADVICE

People carry their nervous tension in their shoulders, anger in their jaw
muscles.  If you loosen both of these areas, and suggest that the mind
follows the body (showing her how becoming more relaxed relaxes her mind is a
wonderful convincer).  Like Bro Orion suggests, the neck is a great entry
point into steamier happenings.  Patterning is very easy when you are sitting
on her ass, since you can get absolutely amazing state feedback.  Wiggles are
good.  : John S.

KIM-CHEE GIVES THIRD WORLD MASSAGE ADVICE

I'd have to agree with what another brother had wrote about knowing how to
massage before using patterns.	I'll present to you my model of learning.  I
find that I learn fastest when I'm watching and doing at the same time.  I
aquired my massaging techniques in a similar fasion.  I recieved massages
from a female friend who used to work as a professional masseus (sp?).	It
was from these sessions that I remembered where she pressed and poked while
rubbing.  Of course, I refined these techniques by applying them to another
HB and asking for feedback wether it feels good.  After learning to massage,
comes developing the patterns.	What you maynot realize is that you've also
learned the basis of building a pattern when you were learning the
techniques.  Just recall the feel of the massage, how it put you in a relazed
state, the process you went through.  The 'how' is key.  This allows you to
_lead_ by simply describing what you felt.  Of course, we'll use quotes to
say what our friend Jessica had told us what she felt. . .  [GRIN]. Simple as
that.  Bro KimChi

http://steelballs.com if you are tired of foos already.

MUFFIN PATTERN?

Does anyone have a copy of amy's muffin pattern? Scott

THIS GUY ALMOST GOT LAID, ALMOST

Lately success has been showing up and I wanted to report on some of the
progress.  Three nights ago I went out to a coffee shop with a friend who is
in the process of breaking up with a serious girlfriend (one he met because I
started up with her and her friend in the middle of the street early last
summer).  There was this interesting HB waiting in line with a guy who didn't
look like a bore friend.  I went up to the dessert counter (which was right
where they were standing) and started up with her, fluff talk about the pies
on display.  I tell her, "I have to give you a compliment" and she is really
intrigued and asks what it is and I go "You give out a very warm energy that
I find to be a very attractive and unique quality.  My name is Clifford. "
She introduces herself and we talk a bit but I don't push it(I probably
should have, but I was just pleased that I had started up with her while she
was with a guy which is something I rarely do).  I start up with another HB
as she was leaving and with one of the waitresses but these don't go anywhere
again because I didn't push them.  But all were fun, light and enjoyable. 
Thursday night I went out sargying (alone, Ross, alone).  I headed out to one
bar/restaurant that gets a good crowd on Thursday night but not much was
going on so I headed downtown to Weinstein & Gavino's, another
bar/restaurant.  Not much going on here but as I was leaving I notice this HB
and her friend getting ready to leave the crowd (of mostly guys) that they
were with.  There's this moment where she is standing alone halfway to the
door, waiting for her friend to come join her so they can leave.  I go up to
her and say, "Excuse me for interrupting you, but I have to give you a
compliment. " Then I wait.  I find this works so well it is phenomenal.  She
says, "That's nice. . . so what is it?" "I just think you have this energy
about you that I find very attractive. " "Thank you, that is soooo sweet!"
"My name is Clifford, and I really wanted to meet you. " After she introduces
herself (I forget her name) I go, "I see we both don't have a lot of time
right now and I know we don't know each other, but if you're not with someone
in the way you truly want them to be, perhaps we owe it to each other to
talk. " She says that she would very much like to talk but with only 30
seconds that we know each other she says she will be at the same place next
week. Ok, time to move across the street to Thursday's, a bar/restaurant that
is always busy.  It is jumping, with a number of quite attractive women in
the crowd (more than usual).  I notice one in particular who really gets my
attention but she is talking with a couple of guys who are trying to pick her
up.  I notice that the seat next to her is empty to I sit down beside her.  I
turn to the woman on the other side and ask if anyone was sitting there.  She
says her friend was but that her friend wants to stand and walk around so I
can stay there. We exchange a few similarly innocuous comments and then I
introduce myself. I shake her hand and I don't let go (she's not the 9 that
is sitting next tome on the other side with her back to me, but for a 6. 5-7
there was something interesting about her) and she is holding on warmly.  I
get introduced to her friend, who is Swedish (unfortunately not what you
would think when I say I met a blond Swedish woman in a bar, she was nothing
special) and a guy who is with them.  She starts asking me a number of
qualifying questions (age, religion, marital status, etc. ) and I start
running some process language on her.  She warms up considerably and I start
talking in a very intimate manner about connections, attraction, places in
the mind, etc. and telling her about my friend Monica who met this guy in a
bar who totally fascinated her (then ran the commands of fascination on her).
 As I am doing this I am getting closer to her, talking into her ear but also
nuzzling my cheek against hers, touching her other cheek with my hand.	She
is trancing out, doggy dinner bowl, and enjoying every moment.	I felt sure
that I could have started making out with her right there.  I told her not to
fall in love with me, that I go out with a lot of women.  Then I did this
trick a friend of mine told me.  She mentions that she believes in certain
parts of astrology and that certain signs go better together than others.  I
ask if she believes in numerology, which she does.  I tell her how a friend
of mine showed me that it is amazing how the random association of numbers
can tell a lot about a person, and I tear off the back of a book of matches
and ask her for a pen.	I tell her to write down her name, birth date and
phone number.  She laughs a lot and is skeptical, but does it.	I take the
paper, look at it, and lean into her and whisper in her ear "This tells me
that you are going to get a phone call from an attractive man who has brown
hair. " That got a big laugh but then she says, "Well, I'm not going to fuck
you. " Immediately I said "I don't fuck people, I make love with them. " and
that really shut her up.  She stared into my eyes with an intensity that was
really inspiring. I left her with her being very interested to hear from me
but the HB on the other side was still busy with other guys working on her.
Generally, I am noticing that I am incredibly relaxed and sure of myself when
I approach women lately.  Further, I have also noticed a state of being in
very good mood when I am doing this and I have found women are just warming
up to me more than ever lately.  I think it may be useful for me to try and
figure out more specifically what is different because the results are
happening. If I had to speculate, I think that there's just been a subtle
shift where I am more relaxed, more positive, very sure of myself, and I have
in the back of my mind to just talk to them in person the same way I would on
the phone lines where I play heavily on the tonality, tease and say patterns
and bits of patterns with in a very intimate, warm way.  I also have a
feeling the hypnotic inductions that Major Mark did in L. A.  are having an
effect.  Clifford

HE ALMOST GOT LAID TOO

I have become aware that I am very powerful in "giving her the picture" and
"getting her there" but need imporvement in linking back to me with total
certainty and NOW. I have babboozzled some chyks and made them grab another
that would not have stood a chance. . . Not that I am complaining, this is not
a big issue but I need to improve----this would make and excellant seminar
topic. Any ideas? Soren


THIS SOPHOMORE ALMOST GOT A PHONE NUMBER

Oh my god! I just got this little gem from a girl who I've been playing with
in email and on the phone.  It's a lot like a "peak experience", but I think
it could bring up similar moments.  This is her writing word for word, and
she kind of messed up the "with me" link but I think it's pretty good. . . I
was wondering if you have ever experienced a moment (or series) in your life
that you thought was totally perfect? You stopped to memorize the people and
things around you so that at some time in the future you could pull that
memory out and enjoy it again.	It may not have been a conscious thing when
you did it, but now looking back you can remember that time in it's entirety
and you can put yourself right back in it.  Share this with me Greg.  Can you
understand why I saved this for here -- so that I could read your response
and look into your soul a bit more.  GREG


THE NOTORIOUS MUFFIN PATTERN WRITTEN BY AMY!

Have you ever woken up from a pleasant dream to the smell of hot, freshly
baked muffins? And maybe you were so ravenous that you felt compelled to
satisfy your craving, and to just bury your face in this hot muffin and eat. 
Me, I can see how apply cinnamon or blueberry would be especially tempting. .
. maybe one with butter dribbling down.  If you don't act on your intense
hunger relatively quickly, it's not hard to see that it is only bound to
grow.  Hardest for me to understand is why people deny themselves those kind
of natural indulgences when they're really hungry.  Can't you just taste that
tasty muffin on the tip of your tongue. . . feel that soft texture. . . smell
that sweet aroma. You know, if you don't allow yourself that indulgence,
you'll only grow resentful later and want to eat muffins all night long! So I
think it is better to act now on what you really want. Don't you agree? NICK

THIRD WORLD SLEAZE SEDUCERS ARE PRIME FOR SPENDING MO' MUNNIE

> >Hey guys,> >I seem to be having problems using patterns.  I noticed> >HBs
seem to lose interest and when i talk, and lotsa times IM asked> >to repeat
what i say, and so i realized that the problem is in my > >speech/voice. >
>English is my 2nd language, and my voice is not clear, and slurred. > >Any of

u guys have any suggestions on how to improve my voice tone,> >and make it
dynamic, clear, and powerfull ?> >(btw IM 19)> > Tom Vizzini wrote:> Get
Kim's tape " Speak with her masters voice" !!!! This tape is loaded> with
excersises, metaphors and attitude.  Tonality in one of the most> essential
skills!! Of course that is why we are teaching it in. . . Atlanta!!!>>
Seriously, you simply can not deliver a 20 megaton bomb with a biplane. > If
your voice sucks you will have much less success. >> I personally did not
like my vioce so I changed it.	I used many of the> exercises that are on
Kim's " Speak with her masters voice" Tape. >> It is available through
Straightfoward.  >> Tom Vizzini>

TOMMY BALONEY VIZZONI IS A PHILOSOPHER TOO

Hi Mike, Sorry I still have to disagree.  To me, using HB's to trigger
happiness in a slippery slope to supplication.	That does not mean that you
can not be happy that you are with them.  You can still look at being with a
woman as enjoyable.  I guess the problem I am having is with them word
trigger.  It seems to mean that it would be a state that would get fired.  We
I personally want to be more in control of the states I enter when with an
HB.  It also does not matter to me if it is one or dozens of woman that would
fire happiness.  I could be wrong but what you are suggesting is that you
allow woman to be an anchor for happiness.  That is a dangerous thing.	With
that kind of anchor who would be in control??? There are enough people that
think that getting women is the key to happiness.  The real key to happiness
it to be happy with yourself and let it shine from the inside out.  That will
attract women to you.  See ya, Tom Vizzini

Tom, We agree about the real key to happiness.	I think that is the best key.
While people are gaining mastery of that key they can also create many
triggers along the way. . . kinda like training wheels.  Halbmike

These two goofs are the most miserable, lonely, self-deceived guys on the
planet talking about happiness! EGAD.

PERLOIN, THE ULTIMATE SYNCOPHANT GIVES ADVICE (He's a virgin, by the way)

> I start up> with another HB as she was leaving and with one of the waitresses

but these> don't go anywhere again because I didn't push them.	Cliff stop
your whining! I am interested in what pictures you make in your head after
you realized that you did not get your outcome.  These pictures should be of
what your outcome should have been and what it will be in the future. 
Telling me that it "did not go anywhere becasue you did not push it" does not
help me or anyone else reading your wonderful list. .  Telling them what you
will do differently and beleiving it will. Now that I have kicked your ass,
give me back my shoe! Pelone Semper Fi, USMC

PURLOIN GIVES GOOD MASSAGE ADVICE TOO (Even if he is a virgin, he knows a lot
about seduction)

Frankis: Your homework is to go to your bookstore (or if your a cheap SOB go
to the library) and get a book on massage.  Find a chapter that intrigues you
and outline it getting the jargon down.  The next step is to take what you
know from the Basic Course and and have been using so far and incorporate it
into the Massage Framework (hmmm. . . there is that frame workd again. ) Try
it and report back to me your results before I see you in Atlanta. You will
discover that after playing with it for a while (that means trying it out on
at least 10 hb's) you will see what you need to do to improve or drop what is
working or not working in that frame work.  The key is to experiment and have
fun no matter what results you will get! Pelone, Semper Fi, USMC


PURLOIN KNOWS EVERYTHING (He's read books and listened to WUSS tapes and paid
for Thou$and$ of $eminar$)

> I have babboozzled some chyks and made them grab another that would not> have
stood a chance. . . > STOP!! Do not say this ever again.  This is not serving
you.  You have the wrong idea. If you persisit it will not benefit you.  What
will beneift you is to realize that it is a mutually enjoyable experience that
she is trully deserving of ONLY after you realize that she meets your criteria
for further exploration. Pelone, Semper Fi USMC

PURLOIN AT HIS ASS-KISSING BEST

As the Essential Skills seminar draws nearer, I am somewhat meloncholly about
retiring the old me as " THE NEW ME EMERGES FULL OF FIRE AND WITH A LOOK
OUTBABY HERE I COME !" attitude. I can see myself one month after the seminar
with my new essential skills strummin and a hummin to the new beat beat beat
of the hb's heart. OH YEA.  "(Damn happiness loop! Gee when your sargin is
powered by Major Markness which embodies big dickness and Brother Ross which
personifies language skills and technique, there is notihing that can stop
you! ) Can you tell that I just got back from Sargin and havin a rockin time?
Anyway back to our regularly scheduled post! I can see myself using Kimmy's
visualization skills to create that timeline of wonder and amazement where
you (yes that was an I you shift) create new and exciting behaviors and
attitudes within yourself that will serve you and be unconsciously executed
when you go out to blend in and meet girls in your daily normal activities. I
will learn that meeting girls is just a normal daily occurence that happens
naturally and easily becasue you will meet them as you to your regular
hangouts and they will be at your new hangouts after you get a map of your
area and locate the cities within 30 minutes of your home to go out and
explore them and have new and exciting adventures in the process of checking
and claiming new turf.	Did I do this.	Yes I did and it is an adventure!
IPROMISE!!I see myself doing Tom's Condum Mint Anchoring and creating new
methods of anchoring states to different paraphenalia no matter what is in my
environment. I just laughed at my cleverness as I deftly and covertly yet
(with her willingness) elict her orgasm pictures and feelings and link and
anchor them to me as I fire off that arousal anchor as she wonders why she is
feeling so turned on!! Oh yess. . . . . ymmmm. . . . . more and more. . . .
(Isn't this pathetic! I know stop but I can't this is so much fun it is
becoming contagious didn't it!) I also revel in my pictures of how I smurfed
this cute hb (whom I see myself meeting in the near future (well yea I know
it has not happened yet but what you do not relize is that past was the
future a few seconds ago and by the time you read this the future is now
past.  Say this to an hb and watch her eyes roll up into her brain! So
therefore, I submit to you and present to you the new and improved Sargy
brother and invite you to enjoy these same pictures that I just enjoyed!. 
Can you see and feel that would be an amazing way of behaving from now on
only after you have taken the seminar! Pelone Semper Fi USMC

KIM-CHEE ALMOST GOT AN EMAIL!

Well, its happening, Bros.  You stick to the studies and practicing long
enough and then one day, BOOM, you're spinning patterns around the topic at
hand. This was e-mailed to some girl (not sure if she's HB, this is just
practicing) in less than two mins. I especially like the part "this is
happening".  Enjoy and give me some feedback if you wish.  On with the
pattern: Have you ever wondered just what it is about meeting someone new and
interesting that. . . stirs something within? Something magical and special
as you interact with this person? Some simply enjoy a new encounter. . .
others. . . feel a shiver of excitement.  And then. . . on very. . . very
rare sometimes. . . you can. . feel a connection. . .  . . its almost as if
there was a warm. . glowing cord of energy connecting. . . you. . . to him. .
 . . and the more you become intrigued, the more that connection glows with
the warmth of timeless bond. . As all this. . . this is happening. . . it is
so much easier to understand every word that he speaks. . . . . every
description. . . they come to vivid life in your mind. . .  . . like the
picture of a stroll on a moon lit virgin beach. . . the cool sand beneath
your feet. . . the breeze that carry the mist. . . the sheen of pale moon
light on lips. .  Many may not experience something as this. . . though. . if
you listen closely. . . carefully. . to what the other says. . . through the
passing of an enjoyable evening. . . you will find all the qualities and
values that you hold so dearly to yourself. . . in him. . . that. . . is when
after even the turn of six months. . you can look back. . . and know that
this was the day it all began.	This is true magic.  Bro KimChi

THIRD WORLD SLEAZE SEDUCERS ADVISING EACH OTHER! EGAD

>> Also, speak more softly when you wish to be hypnotic. This is where I'm poor
at. .  when I try to speak in deep voice, most of the time, the girls want me
to repeat again.  So I use to speak a little bit louder. > >> >Maybe, you
should also think about focusing on your attitudes. > >> >By the way, does
anyone know what's the BEST thing to do when a girl smile> >to you?>> Make a
big boner in your pants as maybe more experienced SS brother> would tell you,
Jerome HAhahhaha!

MARK CUNTINGHAM, PROFESSIONAL HYPNOTIST

>Hi Mike,>> Sorry I still have to disagree.  To me, using HB's to trigger

happiness>in a slippery slope to supplication.	That does not mean that you
can not be>happy that you are with them.  You can still look at being with a
woman as>enjoyable. >> I guess the problem I am having is with them word
trigger.  It seems to>mean that it would be a state that would get fired.  We
I personally want to>be more in control of the states I enter when with an
HB. >I do this thing where I imagine I have a Target Finder.  This is a
behavior device (TM) that will constantly scan all my senses to find a
pattern -- hot women, somnambulists, patrol cars, whatever. Look, listen,
sniff, hmm. And when it finds a woman who fits the profile, it kicks the
conscious mind in the ass and yells "prospect!". So.  So long as I see her as
an opportunity to find out who she is, I feel perfectly happy to stroll on
over and chat her up.  And maybe she's alright, and maybe she's not.  Because
as I talk to her, I get to decide if I'm liking the experience of her kind of
woman, and I'm deciding how much of myself to share.  I get to be happy about
being the guy who walked up to talk to her, and maybe I get more than that.
Back when I hadn't hung out with a whole lot of women, I used to think/feel
that I need something specific outside myself to be happy -- which led to my
dating models phase, the infamous redhead phase, actors, big tits, small
ones, atheletes, dancers, housewives. . . .  Who has the time? Letting
someone or someone else control access your happiness is a Bad Thing. It's
easier now just to let the Target Finder find whatever I'm looking for, and
then check them as people one by one.  -- Mark

Pardon me? Aren't you the fat slob with the comb-over three-strands hair do?

CUNTINGHAM'S MACHINES IN HIS MIND?

Major Mark wrote in part:>I do this thing where I imagine I have a Target
Finder.  This is a behavior>device (TM) that will constantly scan all my
senses to find a pattern --hot>women, somnambulists, patrol cars, whatever. 
>>Look, listen, sniff, hmm. >>And when it finds a woman who fits the profile,
it kicks the conscious mind>in the ass and yells "prospect!". I started
installing these types of 'machines' in my mind a couple of months ago.  My
results have been mixed, but they have improved my by ability to trust my
unconscious mind to propel me to my desired outcomes.  I think I just need
more experience using the machines so that I can build up more positive
reference experiences.	The one I've had the most success with is a machine
that plots values, beliefs and meta programs without direct ellicitation. 
The machine directs my unconscious mind to display the resulting patterns on
a halucinated video monitor.  Can you perhaps share with us some of your
techniques for designing and installing these devices, and/or possible
techniques for reinforcing their success? I'm a newbie at this, but my
limited experience has allowed me to see the potential power of this type of
technique.  Any direction you could give would be greatly appreciated. >It's
easier now just to let the Target Finder find whatever I'm looking for,>and
then check them as people one by one. If I may ask, what are you using as
your output generator? I'm using a kinesthetic 'alert mechanism' followed by
either visual digital or auditory digital details.  Chunking this concept up,
it seems to me that it povides in part a structure for intuition much like
strategies provide us with a structure for behavior.  If I'm way off base
here, please let me know.  I don't want to reinforce bad habits. Ciao, George

WUSS LOVES KIMMY EVEN WHEN KIMMY BELOW-ME'S TOMMY' BALONEY PONY

By the way, Kim was chatting with me on the phone last night about some new
exercises she'll reveal in Atlanta for improving the full range of how to use
your voice, including some KEWL stuff on properly using pauses. . .  Go kimmy!
Ross

THE ZEN OF SEDUCTION

<< Good post! Similar thing happened to me, one question is why you are more
relaxed and being in a state of good mood lately? the other is how we maintain
that state so that we will not fall back to the old way ? >> Answer to 2nd
question: Rehearse the 'new' state as necessary.  I have found, in times of
lucidity, it's not so much that we replace one state for another(since then we
are again fixed in a state), but that we gain fluidity (through practice) in
moving into any and all desired states effacaciously.  A change of state does
not necessarily happen once and for all.  The Zen master, the Taoist priest
lives life as a practice in fluidity. . each day. . each moment.  PRACTICE.
Penn Law Student

RIKER, COLLEGE STUDENT BUT MASTER SYCOPHANT AND SELLER OF MERCHANDISE

I have become aware that I am very powerful in "giving her the picture">and
"getting her there" but need imporvement in linking back to me with>total
certainty and NOW. >>I have babboozzled some chyks and made them grab another
that would not>have stood a chance. . .  >>Not that I am complaining, this is
not a big issue but I need to >improve----this would make and excellant
seminar topic. Yes, the typical . . . . . . . . . . . now, with me, etc etc
etc Also continued references to "this person. .  "this moment "this
opportunity Also things that move from that place that "could be" into that
place that "will happen" almost as if they already had. Actually, these
topics and techniques are covered quite extensively in the course materials.
<<- Riker -COMMENT:Do you get any of this? Other than "spend more money?"

STRIP TEASE PATTERN BULLSHIT STORY

Hey bros, gotta question for y'all.  I just had a woman do a strip tease for
me last weekend. . .  a first for me (I'm ashamed to admit I never really
thought about it before), and what a blast! You'd really have to know this
woman to understand what a big leap this is for her, which makes the next
thing even more incredible that it was her first time, and she was absolutely
incredible. . .  I've been to a few strip clubs, seen some pros. . .  and she
would have won any amateur contest, and put a few pros to shame as well. 
Let's just say neither of us has quite recovered from an unforgettable night.
. . And here's the kicker, I have no idea how I got her into the state to
want to do this (and she was loving every second of it).  We've been seeing
each other for a little while, and I've done all sorts of languaging, themes,
etc.  in the past and had some incredible times.  So much so that she's now
using a lot of what I taught her on me (you gotta love the smart ones). 
Somehow I got on the subject of putting on a show, played with her a bit on
the theme, but didn't really do that much more.  I'm still recalling the
evening, to try to narrow down the flow of thoughts and conversation. And
while I work on that, I thought I'd pose the question to the list to see if
there were any other bros out there who have had a similar experience.	A
repeat performance is definitely in the cards, I just want to figure out the
best way to lead her to the opportunity. . .  ;-) Anyone? Anyone?Oh, and as
always, thanks Ross!-jon

DAVID BARRON WHO IS THE ULTIMATE FOOL CHIMES IN ON THE STRIP TEASER

My guess is, brother, that either you did one of Dark Sun/Awakening type
patterns or she create that state for herself.	(Brothers: If you don't know
these patterns DON'T ASK! THEY ARE ONLY TAUGHT ONE-ON-ONE TO SELECTSARGIERS.
) The leap she made (especially if she is going way outside her usual
behaviors) is one of being able to think in terms of ANYTHING IS POSSIBLE,
thinking of possible new feelings, new thoughts, new behaviors. . . . and
then she PUT YOU THERE WITH HER in her fantasies.  Yes, this is powerful,
women do it naturally and it can be elicited with more the advance patterns.
Brother David COMMENT: This guy's girl fucked and suck her Massage Therapist!
Duh.  David says "It's wonderful.  He found an anchor I installed and
accidentally fired it off and she went for it. " I'm not kidding.  Look it up
on dejanews.  I posted it about six months ago.  DUH! He thinks that's why
she blew the Massager! DUH! She told him that's why and the fool believe it. 
This guy is dumber than WUSS about women if that's possible.

HOW THE STRIPPER STRIPPED IS EXPLAINED!

You can remember that the ss opens you up to new possibilities .  I could be
that you are more open to these possibilites of fun with women that more and
more positive things happen seeminly random off or mysterious reasons.  Also,
like maybe you did a pattern or something automagically to trigger it.  Be
grateful. James

HALBMIKE ALWAYS HAS SOMETHING TO SAY NO MATTER HOW USELESS

Remember just as you can enjoy turning a woman on, a woman can enjoy turning
you on and be turned on by the thought of how she is turning you on.  Lots of
woman want to be appreciated as sexy.  This may have been about her feeling
sexy more than about you.  It may have been fun for her to just goof around
or for a moment explore what stripping would be like (kind of like when you
were a child and played pretend to explore different careers).	It may have
given her a feeling of power.  It may have been many things.  ASK HER WHAT
SHE ENJOYED ABOUT IT AND WHY SHE DID IT.  YOU CAN SIMULTANEOUSLY, LEARN (and
perhaps apply this with other women), Get her back into state, and learn how
to get her to explore other things.  What she says (at least verbally) may
not be the real reason(s) or all of the reasons.  Halbmike

MALE MODEL LOVER ON STRIP TEASER

Having read the responses here to this post, in particular Bro Barron's post,
I'd have to recommend Mark's Building a Better Girlfriend tapes (I have the
audio ones--there are video ones).  The pattern types that David talked about
are explored in depth and demonstrated with extreme skill. In brief, you get
to learn how to take her wonderful natural qualities, and store those away. 
Then you'll learn to build a place where anything is possible. . . an
incubator of sorts, and when all is right and congruent, those rehearsed
fantasy behaviors will slide easily, gently and naturally into her everyday
behavior.  Can you say. . . . Secret core? However, don't bother ordering
them unless you are willing to go first, meaning, unless you are willing to
build yourself as a better boyfriend by applying the techniques to yourself,
your success with this kind of material may be very limited, at least, that
being my experience with it.  Without congruence, the words come out hollow
and it is obvious toany woman with a functioning brain cell.  A muffed
attempt with standard SS is largely recoverable. . . a muffed attempt with
BABGF is quite offensive and difficult to put right.  I know this from
experience.  Maybe others are better at unfucking muffed attempts than I. The
material is powerful, and if done correctly, you won't be able to stop her
from demonstrating this side of herself.  However, for short term, hit and
run SS'ing, in my opinion, it would be a mistake to use some of the more
powerful material, lest you build a better, more motivated stalker. Of
course, you can learn patterns of this type without Mark's guidance, but the
results you get may not be to your liking. . . Mark seems to build in a
proper sense of responsibility as you learn to elicit deep permanant change,
both in yourself and anyone else special enough to deserve it. take care,
John S.

THIRD WORLD POET AND STILL CAN'T GET A DATE

I dug this one out from way back when the list was first in its infancy. It
was a prose back then, but I changed it to have a lil' rythem and some rhyme
(I sould like some rapper. . . ).  The basic concept of it is to lead an
audience through a gauntlet of representational systems.  The first thing I
want you to do is, pay attention to your internal state as you read it for
yourself the first time.  It doesn't take a brainer to see which section
stimulates which modality.  You'll actually feel a change when you get to
your favorite representational system.	I think the next step would be to
read it to a HB and see where she goes into state.  Then, you'll have no
problem at all in choosing your approach.  Positive criticism is welcome as
well as any other suggestions and inputs.  This poem is my work, so please
don't sell or plagerize it.  Here it is: ~World Alive~A summer walk, feeling
the cool breeze passing by, feel the tingling on your skin as the goosebumps
arise a short lived life. Feel your hair fluttering with the wind's caress. .
.  and the songs of birds in the sky, joining the chorus of leaves and grass
rustling gently.  Play of children can be heard in the distance. . .  while
the vibrant hues of summer green cheer your eyes.  See the trees sway in the
wind as the scent of the fresh lavender bloom tantalize your sense. The smell
of a rose. . .	a hint of fading perfume . . . spark the thoughts of someone
close . . . right before your eyes . . . and find yourself asking, ". . . in
which world am I most alive?" -Bro KimChi

A NEW SUCKER ON THE BLOCK

Greetings Brothers! I am new to the world of SS.  I have listened to Ross's
basic course on tape several times and I have also gone out and utilized
several of the patterns.  The responses are incredible, just as Ross said
they wouldbe.  The opening lines really make the women break their states and
focus soley on you! The whole world just goes away. . . .  Aside from these
new found techniques, I now have an area where I need help and the tapes
mention, but unfortunately, do not address. On the basic course, Major Mark
had mentioned going over the "Locket Pattern" and some others in order to
re-direct those energies which we create with SS.  Sad to say, it was not on
the tapes. However, I now have a situation where I need to re-direct that
energy and don't know how to do it.  Ross is so right.	The same BS excuses
they use NOT to see us, they use so much in their favor when they want us! I
don't want to shut her down and cause pain or be cruel, that is not our way.
Any assistance will be VERY welcome. I am certain that stories and
experiences will follow soon. . . . . Sincerely, Bob H

ADVICE FOR NEW SUCKER FROM MALE MODEL LOVER

I'm not gonna post the locket pattern.	It's Mark's. . . maybe he'd be
willing to post it. However, there are ways to end relationships.  The best
one is not having a relationship at all.  If you've done a values
elicitation, you know what she needs to be fullfilled, and conversely know
what it would take to bore her senseless.  That's one idea. Another quality
theme is being on different paths. . .	heading different directions.  That
can go hand in hand with an anti-values approach.  "I'm going this way (some
way that would not fulfill her), and you are going that way. " The best part
of this approach is that the thing to blame is not you. . . its the
relationship. Another way to go would be to talk with her about relationships
for her that started out great and turned sour.  You can anchor yourself
there and pick out trance words to apply to yourself.  For example. . . . she
says. . . "I really liked this guy, but he became needy. . . his whole world
revolved around me. . . I felt like he'd be crushed if things didn't work
out. . . it stressed me out knowing I was the only one responsible for his
happiness. "So you take that, and start demonstrating those qualities.	"I
need you. " "Only you make me happy. " "If you loved me, you'd never leave my
side. " "You are the only one for me. " "You are my world. " "Everything that
happened before you is unimportant now since you are mine. " "My journey is
over. . . we'll be together forever. " (basic Supplication 101). Come'on now,
every guy here knows what behaviors will put a woman off without being cruel
or heartless.  Good luck, John S.

NEW SUCKER EXHIBITS THE PROPER BROWN-NOSING BEHAVIOR TO BE LOVED AND LIKED

Thanks John! Being new to the community, there is much wisdom in your words
that tie indirectly with what is on the tapes. You have given me just the
thing to do.  Bob

CUNTINGHAM'S WISDOM IS STUNNING

>On the basic course, Major Mark had mentioned going over the "Locket >Pattern"

and some others in order to re-direct those energies which we >create with
SS. Sad to say, it was not on the tapes. Actually, one version of it is on
several of the tapes (Seduction Master's Weekend, and I think maybe on the
new Basic Home study set), and the full-bore version is printed at the end of
Scoring With Married Women. But remember -- The Locket is designed to LOCK IN
feelings for later reactivation! I designed it so that I can have great moist
adventures with a woman, then lock those feelings in so that the next time
I'm in town I can call, drop a few trance words, and get all the goodies
again.	Using it to break completely off with a woman is NOT a Good Thing. 
Think harem, not escape. And if she is fine enough to sample once, why would
you want to break completely off? And if she isn't, why waste your time in
the first place? -- Mark

A KNOW VIRGIN JUMPS IN TO HELP THE NEW SUCKER

Busting up the relationship is easy: SUPPLICATE and SATURATE her with your
love.  Remove Mystery and challenge. . . and she will leave you. . . . hell
you might even get a few fake diamond rings 4 your quiver and REALLY scare
them off! But, why? I agree with Major Mark. Soren

NEW SUCKER EXHIBITS THE PROPER BROWN-NOSING BEHAVIOR TO BE LOVED AND LIKED

Ah, Wonderful to receive so much support! I will follow Major Mark's advice.
That made the most sense to me. . . Thanks! Bob

CUNTINGHAM ANNOUNCES HIS GENIUS

These techniques are a simplified version of what we do all day long in our
clinical practice to induce permanent change.  The vast majority of women are
perfectly willing -- hell, they're EAGER -- to experience wonderful new
states and to make those states (and linkages to yourself) permanent. BUT --
they are only willing to go there when they are sure that you know what
you're doing. Which is why the first of the six steps is to develop and
massively increase rapport. >The material is powerful, and if done
correctly,>you won't be able to stop her from demonstrating>this side of
herself.  However, for short term,>hit and run SS'ing, in my opinion, it
would be>a mistake to use some of the more powerful>material, lest you build
a better, more>motivated stalker. >You got it right -- she will find all the
ways to become the woman she wants to be.  And, since by definition only you
and she know how to reach that special place where anything is possible, you
will have very opportunity YOU need to slip in suggestions/commands having to
do with becoming the woman YOU'VE always wanted.  And it will all seem like
it's HER ideas, hers and hers alone.  Holy shit! I AM a genius! My opinion is
that SS is great for temporary, or even transient states --light trance
states, temporary changes.  Sort of like NLP in general. Permanent change CAN
happen, but its not the norm.  Besides, as Bandler points out, NLP processes
are so easy that if a change doesn't stick youjust do the process again!
Hypnosis is great for long-term changes, and deep- trance phenomena can lead
to massive, rapid yet permanent changes EVEN IN THE FACE OF DEEPLY HELDBELIEF
STRUCTURES.  Kids, do NOT try this at home! Why someone would use my
techniques on women they care nothing for is totally beyond me.  Maybe they
want to "try" the techniques, ignoring the fact that we've been using them
for over a decade. >Of course, you can learn patterns of this type >without
Mark's guidance, but the results you>get may not be to your liking. . . Mark
seems to>build in a proper sense of responsibility as>you learn to elicit
deep permanant change,>both in yourself and anyone else special>enough to
deserve it. >Aww, John! Now you've done it.  Who is going to want the
knowledge once they know it also makes THEM happier and better adjusted?
Let's just tell em that they can build a better love bunny and let 'em find
out the rest later on! -- Mark

UH, DUH

I notice when I do some imagination and pattern stuff,it will make a women
feel very good and relaxed, but then when they are away, they will say that
they have been feeling a little down, and when I see them again, they become
happy, happy when I am around them. Now, I like to be one big anchor, but I
think I should be doing something different here.  I don't want them to feel
dependant on me for these feelings, or at least be I wish them to be happy
when they are not around me also.  Any sugestions???? Frankis \~

MALE MODEL LOVER WORRIES ABOUT LOONIES (Like Him?)

> And if she is fine enough to sample once, why would you want to break>

completely off? And if she isn't, why waste your time in the first place?> >
-- Mark This is a wonderful, powerful and true generality.  If only real life
were so simple.  Sometimes, you realize you bedded a loon.  You could use the
locket, but why lock in obsession in this case? While we're on the subject,
what's a quick way to separate out the loons before bedding them? Sometimes
it doesn't seem all that obvious until later.  Getting your brain in front of
your emotions goes a long way toward this end, it seems to me.	Any thoughts?
John S.

WUSS WORLD MAP PATTERN SPOTS LOONS!

You might try the World Map that Ross teaches on the advanced tapes.  It maybe
on the Basic course as well.  KOMOS

MASSAGE CUCKOLD ON SPOTTING LOONS? EGAD!

Here are few other ways: a) Get her values.  Do they match yours? b) Find out
who her friends are.  If they are not who you'd hang with, reconsider. c) Are
her eye pupils asymmetrical? This could be a sign of personality disorder. d)
Find out how much medication she uses, prescription and otherwise.  e) Find
out a bit about her Family History.  If she had alcoholic parents you are
likely seeing a good facade which hides a ruined shanty.  f) Ask about her
previous relationships.  Are there patterns there you would much rather not
be a part of? Bro.  David

MASSAGE CUCKOLD ON DARK SUN AND SECRET PATTERNS FOR HOLY SHIT!

I Highly recommend Marks tapes ONLY if you are looking for something more
than a hit and run seduction. > > These techniques are a simplified version
of what we do all day long in our> clinical practice to induce permanent
change.  The vast majority of women> are perfectly willing -- hell, they're
EAGER -- to experience wonderful new> states and to make those states (and
linkages to yourself) permanent. > > BUT -- they are only willing to go there
when they are sure that you know> what you're doing.  Which is why the first
of the six steps is to develop> and massively increase rapport. > > >The
material is powerful, and if done correctly,> >you won't be able to stop her
from demonstrating>

>this side of herself.  However, for short term, > >hit and run SS'ing, in my

opinion, it would be> >a mistake to use some of the more powerful> >material,
lest you build a better, more> >motivated stalker. > >> > > You got it right
-- she will find all the ways to become the woman she wants> to be.  And,
since by definition only you and she know how to reach that> special place
where anything is possible, you will have very opportunity YOU> need to slip
in suggestions/commands having to do with becoming the woman> YOU'VE always
wanted.  And it will all seem like it's HER ideas, hers and> hers alone. > >
Hypnosis is great for long-term changes, and deep-trance phenomena canl ead >
to massive, rapid yet permanent changes EVEN IN THE FACE OF DEEPLY HELD>
BELIEF STRUCTURES.  Kids, do NOT try this at home!> > Why someone would use
my techniques on women they care nothing for is> totally beyond me.  Maybe
they want to "try" the techniques, ignoring the> fact that we've been using
them for over a decade. I've gotten into discussion with those not privy to
the "Secret Patterns" like Gemini and Awakenings and their minds can only
fathom it as a Ross Jeffries Publicity Tool.  *IT'S NOT*! Okay, maybe it is a
bit.  But the fact is newbies to SS are so eager to be even more powerful
that they don't know what the hell they are getting into.  They don't know
that without them "going first" they only dig a big fucking trench from which
they will either bury themselves or hide from stalkers of their own creation.
 I speak from experience.  I've told this story before: After a weekend
convention I SSed a beautiful 40 year old HB dancer and later found her
crying on my chest because she has never for anyone what she felt with me
(and she'd "known" a LOT of guys).  Moral: Use these skills irresponsibly and
you WILL fall into the "darkside".  Know their power and they will humble
you.  2nd Moral: If you are going to use the advanced patterns go for
quality. Ding it with any convientant babe and you in the shit hole.  Bro.
David

COMMENT: Do you mean to tell me WUSS hustles and lies and DARK SUN and GEMINI
are not really dangerous and powerful and guaranteed to work after you've
spent ten thousand and nothing else does? Tell me more. Sign me up!

Thanks, former brothers for supporting the new version of Seduction Flip
Style,

A former shill for Wuss J'Ovaries, Claudio Jobert Claudio, Manila, Phillipines


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