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jallen217: Catch, I need to ask you a major serious question JCatch22: You bet jallen217: Ok, chill for a sec. I'll be typing for awhile... JCatch22: ok jallen217: I found this terminal that I think is trapped. There are two new wires coming out from the bottom and leading up the pole. They appear to be hard wired into the line. It is impossible to open the terminal without killing the wires. I checked the voltage of these new wires with an analog multimeter and it buried the needle. Any ideas what these could be? A line cut off or shocking device of some kind? I know it sounds far fetched by remember, I've been sprayed with ink before! JCatch22: Sounds like an alarm of some kind. JCatch22: What was the voltage running at? jallen217: But where would the speaker be? JCatch22: We have something like that here, if you kill the wires and open the box, it sounds. jallen217: I doubt it could fit in the terminal JCatch22: Up on the pole maybe. JCatch22: Might be a silent alarm jallen217: Shit! Any way around it? JCatch22: tells telco "Hey, this box has been opened, get your asses out here." JCatch22: Yea, pretty easy. jallen217: Have you ever encountered one? JCatch22: Yea, something similar. jallen217: Tell me... JCatch22: They are pretty easy to get around....just a sec. this will require some typing jallen217: no problem... JCatch22: Get some 30gauge wire (or larger) and attach an insulated gator clip to each end. Make two of these lengths, each one about 2 feet long. Take a lighter of wire strippers over to the box and strip the wires at the top, and bottom of the box. Clip one of the wires you made on to the top and bottom, do the same with the other wire. Now cut the telco wire. You can open the box with no alarm going off. You are basically just making the wire longet so you can slide it around the box or whatever JCatch22: Gotta go. brb 30 mins Have to get a copy of Red Hat 5.2. jallen217: ok thanks